Atmas - Taking the fun out of gaming.

[Deathscythe343]

this here this atma farm? this aint no grind this is a walk in the park, people have it to easy anything that requires even a little bit of work and effort and people want it changed.

People are asking for it to be changed due to the perceived unfairness. There are certainly other ways to go about such a thing.

Also, games like Lineage 2, are typically not as popular due to their lengthy time investment.

Just devote 1 hour a day a to farm it, pace yourself you do not need to 24/7 grind it, if it takes a little longer to get then big deal 5 more lvls on your weapon is not going to make or break you nor will it keep you alive with titan landslides you of the edge.

Except that the reason so many people are currently doing this grind, is because of the shear number of people doing the grind. Months later, when even less people are doing the fates, the grind itself will be much worse.

[Stanelis]

You think this is a boring grind, play Lineage 2 when it takes a month of solid grinding to get 10% of 1 level, this here this atma farm? this aint no grind this is a walk in the park, people have it to easy anything that requires even a little bit of work and effort and people want it changed.

Yeah that's totally the point : current atma system is similar to Korean games grind. I'm all for stuff which require work if it interesting, currently it isn't (you grind your animus weapon by facerolling your head on your keyboard as the content you have to do present no challenge nor interest at all if you are level 50 or have already completed it).

I mean, what's the point in doing 270 dungeons for the 13 500 myth required for the books if you have proven that you could complete them a few time ? What's the point in doing FATE whom only challenge is to wait endlessy for them to spawn ? What's the point in doing leves which you can do your eyes closed ? What's the point killing 900 monsters which doesn't require any meaningful gameplay to take them down and die in less than 10 sec ?

Sorry but this is artificial timesink and sloppy game design.

[Pseudopsia]

Might as well voice my opinion here as well.

Yesterday I finally got my 12th atma. I been chipping away at it for a week and it probably took me about 36 hours of grinding fates.

Farming atmas has been my worst experience of the game so far. It makes me want to give up and play other games.

What I dislike most about it is the rare random drop, that I'm guessing is 1% chance per fate. Saturday morning I spend 4 hours without a single drop. That's 4 hours wasted since my odds are the same after spending that amount of time. I would prefer a higher drop rate like 10% and having to get 10 atmas each since I would at least be able to see some progression for that 4 hours.

It seems Yoshi-P is trying to justify the fate system by making new content a part of it. I wish he would stop that.

[HumsterMKX]

Well I head over to the JP forums. Seem like they are having the same feeling about FATES and random BS.

Hopefully the next server maintainence, something will change.

[Grendahl]

every time someone mentions Lineage 2 or FF XI and then suggests we should be grateful, I'm reminded of the scene in Star Wars where Vader says, "Pray I do not change it further"....

[Siren]

While I agree it is a timesink, the none stop repitition but it is nothing new, every mmo out there is doing it either it be lvls in Lineage or farming those Balaur blood stains for your heart in Aion, your key farming in EverQuest or Runes in Ultima Online, Anyways point being is this will not change it will always be the norm to have both a time sink and a money sink in every mmo.

As for the Fairness I don't see it as unfair, it all comes down to RNG, is it fair that, that WHM has farmed Turn 5 for months for her pants to finally have them drop and lose the roll to a new WHM that just joined them for the day. There is RNG in EVERYTHING! why complain about this one thing.

[Sputnik]

if you dont find something fun, dont do it

[Dyne_Fellpool]

rare drops are so much more fun than long token grinds

farming tokens is work; work is not fun, its work
grinding for rare drops is gambling; gambling IS fun

And no I dont have any Atmas yet

[Doo]

Why would spreading out Fate grinding over a long period of time make it any less boring than grinding continuously? It still extremely boring regardless.

[Eekiki]

I'm liking the zodiac weapons quests so far. A lot more than I thought I would, because the way its designed reminded me of Magian trials from FFXI, which were/are terrible. These are a lot better because progress is much more measurable, and there's also (with a few exceptions) much less standing around waiting for something to happen (FATEs for trial books being the biggest exception).

I will admit I was pretty lucky with my atma drops...er...maybe not lucky, but I was home sick for a big chunk of the week of 2.2's release. I think I got my Gae Bolg Atma after about 20 hours of total playtime. Oh, and here's something all you folks complaining about it being boring might not know:

You can talk to people while you grind FATEs. I mean, you can whine and complain about it, or you can make the best of it. The FATE grind isn't as bad as you're perceiving it to be. And I don't believe for one second that any of you that are claiming to have grinded FATEs for 12+ hours without a single drop are being truthful, unless you're doing it wrong (i.e. no zenith relic equipped).

I finished my first trial book over the course of two days, and it only took a few hours. And it was fun. I liked all the open world stuff. I do wish they'd increase the spawn frequency of FATEs required for braves trials. And I can tell that with the way roulettes work I can probably finish one trial book a week just by using roulettes and beast tribe dailies to get my myth tomes.

So for the casual player, 12 weeks or so to get two relic upgrades? That sounds totally reasonable to me, and will probably coincide with 2.3's release.

Take note SE: This is not fun. It is purely a time waster and you know it. Try putting in some skill challenges instead of grinds for a change.

They did put a skill challenge in for the first relic quest. It was called Titan Hard Mode. How did that turn out? Oh yeah, the casuals whined and moaned because "It's too haaaaard." and then a bunch of them went and bought gil from RMT sites, then paid elitist FCs to carry them through the fight.