Atmas - Taking the fun out of gaming.

[Leigaon]

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One suggestion that I saw in a similar thread was to make it so that players did a certain number of fates, the idea in question was set at 50, and then reward players with their atma.

This, even with a higher number say 100 would be acceptable. It would put in the grinding feature they desire but make so that when Player A has more time he can catch up to Player B. Since I always liked the way things were set in this game "Here's what you have to do..whenever you can get around to it" the key would be making it so that it's so time consuming it wouldn't result in everyone having 8 complete zodiacs. I like the idea.

[Jinko]

I think I got my Gae Bolg Atma after about 20 hours of total playtime..

And I stopped reading there.

[Tonitrui]

Final Fantasy games have never been like other traditional online MMO's. The amount of time they expect you to put into getting the best gear is something of legend. They have made it quite a bit faster in 11, but in all honesty, grinding these atmas is not so bad since you can do them on your own schedule. Good luck with old school king behemoth farming.

[Sadana]

What I don't like about it is that it angers so many people (on both sides of the debate) and divides us even more. ._.

[Deathscythe343]

every mmo out there is doing it either it be lvls in Lineage or farming those Balaur blood stains for your heart in Aion, your key farming in EverQuest or Runes in Ultima Online

You do see that, all the MMOs you named, are on the verge of extinction right? The current trend in MMOs has a grind yes, but does it in such a way that you know what you need to do to complete the task. This can be seen in the book portion of the upgrade quest, in which almost no one is complaining about.

that WHM has farmed Turn 5 for months for her pants to finally have them drop and lose the roll to a new WHM that just joined them for the day. There is RNG in EVERYTHING! why complain about this one thing.

The situation you described does suck, however it really isn't the same. You have a much greater chance of getting the pants, especially now, than you do of getting an atma, if you ever get an atma.

[HumsterMKX]

What I don't like about it is that it angers so many people (on both sides of the debate) and divides us even more. ._.

There is a way out.....

Please dial "1800-SELLMYSOULATMA" for more details.

[Eekiki]

What I don't like about it is that it angers so many people (on both sides of the debate) and divides us even more. ._.

Unfortunately there's nothing SE can do about this. We now live in a world where everything is polarized. SE can't win.

During the 2.0 beta, Yoshi posted his manifesto where he talked about the duality of "Yoshi the gamer" and "Yoshi the producer/director" that he has to struggle with. I have a feeling that with 1.0, because SE corporate knew it was going away, Yoshi was able to make the game that "Yoshi the Gamer" wanted. For ARR's launch, he had to give more priority to "Yoshi the producer/director" because that's what SE corporate wanted.

2.2 seems to mark the start of "Yoshi the Gamer" being allowed to have more say in the direction of the game, now that the flurry of publicity ARR's launch generated is starting to die down, so SE corporate's attentions are being drawn elsewhere. They've also said the success of Bravely Default kinda woke them up and they realized that western gamers want a return to the old school JRPG style.

All the people upset with this are upset now, but SE has the numbers. All the blustering on the forums doesn't mean a thing if the numbers are still working in SE's favor. As always, the people complaining will either get used to it or move on. FFXIV will be just fine no matter what they do.

[Worm]

You do see that, all the MMOs you named, are on the verge of extinction right? The current trend in MMOs has a grind yes, but does it in such a way that you know what you need to do to complete the task. This can be seen in the book portion of the upgrade quest, in which almost no one is complaining about.

HOHOHOHOHO this is rich. Good job pointing out that decade old games are on the verge of extinction! What a succinct point, you wily devil you. Yeah Everquest, man eff that commercial flop. I'm really trying hard to get over this steaming pile of caca, how did you manage to type this out? I can barely bring myself to read it.

Anyway, I'll agree that fate farming is an awful implementation, but everyone's problem isn't the implementation it's the time investment. If this wasn't RNG based then it'd just be locked behind BCT9 or something like that, they want it to take weeks to months, people marathoned gamed to do it in days, and now they are all bitter and irritated with themselves as they should be, but lashing out at the implementation that let them do weeks worth of grinding in a matter of days. It is literally no one's fault but your own if you grind too much and burn yourself out. You don't eat ice cream for every meal, you're an adult, figure it out.

[Deathscythe343]

if you dont find something fun, dont do it

Perhaps. However the quest has players in a sort of catch 22 scenario. They have stated that this is merely the first stage of what will be many stages of a quest to upgrade our relics.

Now, one could say, "there are other weapons that you could get then". True, however this seemed to be made with the casual person in mind. Someone who seems unlikely to get their weapon from T5 or Levi Ex. In that regard this is likely their only option.

Another thing to consider is that currently there are a lot of people doing the fates. The more people doing them, the easier they become. In a short time there will be less people doing them. The less people that doe the fates, the longer they take to complete. The longer they take to respawn. The longer to takes to collect all 12 and start on the next part of the quest. The fate grind has become insidious.

[Worm]

Perhaps. However the quest has players in a sort of catch 22 scenario. They have stated that this is merely the first stage of what will be many stages of a quest to upgrade our relics.

Now, one could say, "there are other weapons that you could get then". True, however this seemed to be made with the casual person in mind. Someone who seems unlikely to get their weapon from T5 or Levi Ex. In that regard this is likely their only option.

Another thing to consider is that currently there are a lot of people doing the fates. The more people doing them, the easier they become. In a short time there will be less people doing them. The less people that doe the fates, the longer they take to complete. The longer they take to respawn. The longer to takes to collect all 12 and start on the next part of the quest. The fate grind has become insidious.

What kind of casual player needs their relic upgrade within a week or two of the patch launching? This is basic itemization, if you don't have to go and get 8 people together to kill a primal, hope you get your drop, and roll against other players naturally you're going to have to invest more time. Just because this is an alternative for casual players doesn't mean it ought to be an easier alternative ... does it? Can you really call this player casual anymore when he's farming 8 hours a day for something he doesn't need and making himself hate the game? It sounds more like obsessive.

Also, I'm pretty sure they said they'd lighten this grind as things fall off.