Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[DoubleT]

So... a bunch of stuff

1. you get the most xp from FATEs at the very end, so a bunch of 50's zerging them for them would actually help them get it done faster

2. so what, its a fate, nobody pays any attention to thier rotations in any fate except for odin an behe

3. i used over 20 ventures today an got bunches of cool items from them an tons of xp for my rets, so i beg to differ

4. you can level your choc, lots of people do, it donest matter if you are solo, light pt, or full pt, or what medal you get, the droprate is horrid no matter what

[silentwindfr]

ok some feedback about the whole process not only the atma farming ^^

let's begin by the Atma part, we are a lot to point that it's not fun and quite boring to farm FATE for get the atma, mostly because the lack of feeling of progression since the Atma drop-rate is RNG based. if you are lucky a couple of hours is enough for get all... if you aren't... you will take ages for get them.
exept take out the RNG component and give a better feeling of progression, i doubt people will love this part. it really need to be changed in a way or another.

now let's talk of the animus part, it's the hardest part actually, there you know where you go and what you have to do... no more RNG (exept one point), 1 book cost you 1500 mytho. dungeon now give you around 50 per run. then one book = 30 dungeon, since most of the people spend around 20 minute per dungeon (if you don't speedrun the two first boss of brayflox ^^ in 7-10 minutes), it's means for get enough myth (for a normal person) it will be around 600 minutes (10 hours) of dungeon for get enough myth for 1 book.
you do have 9 book for get the animus, meaning around 90 hours.
for finish a book you must count 1 hours for the dungeon part, 30 minutes for the hunting log part, 30 minutes for the leves part and here come the bad part... the FATE part, a lot of the FATE asked are pretty long to pop, making this part a pain... the FATE itself is easy, the hard part is you can wait more of 40 minutes for see one of this FATE pop. let's say you spend 2 hours for the FATE part.
making the type for complete one book go to 5 hours. (if you are quite unlucky on the FATE part)

ok, let's do the conclusion about this part you must count 15 hours per book (10 for get the myth and 5 for complete it). for the whole animus count then 135 hours of playing for do the 9 book (indeed it can be shorter or longuer depending of how you do the myth part and your luck with the FATE)

that said, this part is long, really long. for a player, that can play 3 hours per day and will solely focus on this... it will take him more or less 45 days of him gaming time for reach the end of the animus. it's clearly toooo long. the animus part is only the first part, we will get another part at the 2.25 and the 2.3... making the people that will arrive at the 2.25 or 2.3 unable to even do one animus before the 2.4 will hit the live.

before people begin to attack me and say i want instant gratification. i'm pragmatic and realist, you have a difference between instant gratification and content that are clearly only there for make the player with a big play time have something to do. exept that relic must be doable by the whole playerbase without make them unable to enjoy the game! 45 day of gaming time for a player that can play at 3 hours per day it's way too long! the relic of the 2.0-2.1 was challenge based, asking to beat fight some did say it was too easy and too fast. maybe, but there we did get something extremely long... the idea is good, but the time sink is clearly unbalanced for the speed at which we do receive content.

ps: a couple of point, the relic is the way to continue to make your character progress! it's clearly something everybody need... if you miss this point then you did miss how work mmorpg.
other point, we did get the possibility to make multiple relic in the 2.1, there i doubt anybody (even the big player) will spend time for get a lot of different animus, the time sing is clearly too big and the reward (actually is not big enough for worth the implication)

Yoshida did say that the raider didn't had reason to do dungeon, because it was possible to get relic and ilevel 90 stuff via token. i will answer this, why people will do stuff taking more time than a raid per week, if it's for get reward far below? game need balance between effort <>reward. more effort = better reward!
actually in the game the relic (atma-animus part) is by far the most time sink of the game and... it don't give you the best reward, is that normal? no clearly not! raid is nice, but don't forget the other stuff.
for make analogy, in the olympic sport, do the other sport get less important medal than the main event? no, every activity get the same medal. that must be the same here

[TheGrimace]

Spent 3 hours in Lower La Noscea two days ago to get my Atma of the Fish.
Spent 3 hours in Western Thanalan yesterday to get my Atma of the Twins.
Been in Eastern Thanalan for 3 hours today and still don't whatever atma this place offers.

This sucks. It's totally up to luck, and I don't have luck. Atleast with dungeons, I know I'll be earning myths- or I know that one of my party members or I will get an item at the end of each boss battle. This is just painful.

[Chichicha]

So...
1) Lowbies can't level properly because their fates are getting eaten up by hordes of level 50s trying to upgrade their relics... with a drop that barely ever drops, thus ensuring they are there for hours.

2) Level 50's aren't able to use their full skill sets during these fates, so we're basically spamming the one and two keys all over again even though we are far beyond that point.

These are solid points! They choose to ignore it, then they are losing it. IMHO !
What you think newbies from PS4 will enjoy FATE being over killed by bunch of 50s?
They like it?!
Bunch of 50s won't even invite them to gain gold medal ....

[Dox]

THEY NEED TO INCREASE THIS DAMN DROP RATE! This is freaking bullcrap, over a week and I'm still not done. Pushing 800 fates and damn near 40 hours of grinding.

SE should have enough data by now to do something about this. Some people were done in the 1st 12hrs and here we are a week later and a lot of people that have been farming the whole time still aren't done.

Yes, the rate drop needs to be increased.

[Issachar]

I got my 12 atma in 57 fates, sorry.

[Chichicha]

Congratulation!

[nolalala]

The drop chance from the fate suck donkey balls, actually somewhere near 0.93% and 1.75% -- it shall be 7% from default, or at least each fate shall add upon a buff 1%+ on completition.

[Synra]

I will add my voice as well. I have started farming for Atmas and I am not sure how exactly to express my thoughts on it.

- FATEs are mind numbingly boring and quite probably the single worst game mechanic in this game. If there is one thing I absolutely do not want to do for any reason, it's participate in a FATE.

- Grinding Fates for this weapon is 100x worse. Not only are FATEs boring, hours upon hours of grinding FATEs at level 50 is otherwise a colossal waste of time.

- This time could easily be better spent doing things like Dungeons, Primals, or simply playing a different game entirely.

- After this absurd investment of time and effort, your 'new' i100 weapon has the exact same stats as it does at i90.

I cannot even begin to understand how the developers think this is acceptable game design. Let me be clear, I am willing to do this grind, BUT the weapon MUST have better stats. If it's not going to have better stats, then this Atma portion of the quest needs to be a LOOOOOOOOT quicker and easier.

[Narako]

I am very disappointed by this patch: Farm the Atma, Farm the Myth for the Books, Farm Leviathan for the Mirror Of The Whorl (the drop rate is ridiculous).
Wake up devs we are in the 2014 (this is not FFXI), and for sure this isn't the way to keep ppls subscribe every month.