Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Sairii]

Sad thing is that it ain´t getting better after 12 atmas.

I have now completed 3 books ( 1500myth each = 4 hours myth farming each )
Add that to the 1-2 hours waiting for a certain FATE that you need for the book.
(You need 3 FATEs for each book and each of those is kinda rare, because SE wants us to waste as much time as we can)
You also could grind more FATEs and hope that it appears faster this way but I bet noone is going to touch any more FATEs unless they need to.

So I need 9000myth for my last 6 books = 24 nonstop farming for myth + doing the chores for the books until my animus is complete.
Also 1500 tomes of sold I think?

Well this really isn´t fun anymore.
And what do you get for 3 Books? In my case all the work was for 6 MND.
Tho I really needed more mind after loosing all of it due to grinding like a insane person.

At least gives us the means to upgrade our alt´s relics or let us keep the books >_>

[Yshnal]

As someone that has already completed an atma, I agree that the insane amount of FATEs that some people have to do due to the RNG sucks. A lot. And I'm not saying this because it has a low drop rate, or because you have to do many FATEs, but because what you're spending more time at is travelling from point A to point B, then to C, and then back to A, and waiting a lot in between (it doesn't matter if you change areas, you're just wasting your gil that way). That's not fun after you do it a hundred times, and you even start to dread the zone.

I see a lot of people defending this "because of the old times", and I don't know about others, but that's not how I remember the good ol' grinding. Back when grinding for exp or items was still a thing, we always tried to find the best/optimal spot that would let us kill as fast as possible with as little downtime as we could. That's not possible with FATEs. And you know what else is different?

1. Monsters die if you look at them, thus you're always running back and forth before another group kills everything on sight.
2. You can't do fun things like getting all the mobs in the area and make them almost wipe your party. If you really grinded for exp or loot in the past, you'll know what kind of things I mean
3. People don't do their jobs, they simply tag mobs mindlessly.
4. You can't do FATEs in a spot with your own party, thus you have to deal with what other people do (trolls too). Also, it feels like a competition to see who tags more mobs (see 3).
5. As a lot of the atmas are in low level areas, you can't use most of your skills. Pressing just one or two buttons for hours is not fun. Couple that with 1).

On another note, if they wanted us to hate FATEs I think that they succeeded. Otherwise, and in my opinion, it would had been enough just with the books.

[Deathscythe343]

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At least with the book portion of the grind, you can see a visual representation of your progression towards the end of the quest. With gathering the atmas, players are just banging their heads against the wall hoping they finally get their drop.

[Deathscythe343]

So, after 9 days, I finally got all 12 pieces of Atma.

That was not fun in the slightest, when that last piece was dropped, I was on the verge of tears due to immense relief, I feel absolutely no satisfaction over this.

Grats. This is, I think, how most people feel about this. The only satisfaction to be had with this is, "thank god its finally over!"

I've spent the last 6 days trying to get the central shroud atma and I still haven't gotten it. I spent part of tonight doing some fates with a FC mate. He got his after 20mins.

[Fendred]

So...
1) Lowbies can't level properly because their fates are getting eaten up by hordes of level 50s trying to upgrade their relics... with a drop that barely ever drops, thus ensuring they are there for hours.

2) Level 50's aren't able to use their full skill sets during these fates, so we're basically spamming the one and two keys all over again even though we are far beyond that point.

3) We barely get any reward out of doing these things because the company seals have no end game benefit. Venture tokens fill up faster than they can be properly used as a result, so the new retainer thing doesn't help at all (not to mention the inventory system is counterproductive to ventures if you've been here from the start).

4) The fates are the same things we've done one hundred times before. It feels like we're making zero progress doing them. We can't even level our chocobos because we need every space of our groups to be filled with players to ensure we get a gold medal for fate completion.

Yoshi is going to need to fix this and fast... Also, this isn't what people wanted when they were asking for more open world content. They wanted new things that had some level of challenge to them. Fate grinds are completely mindless activities that pose no threat to the player. As a healer I'm throwing rocks over 90% of the time. I rarely if ever heal during these events. And the combat makes trying to bring back any good elements from open world grind pointless because FFXI's combat worked differently and required cooperation between players. Here we just mash buttons.

[dragorian]

dose this ever drop or how bad is the drop rate and is there only cetian fates that drop Lower La Nocea: Atma of the Fish i have been there for 4 hours and nothing so i went back there this morning for another 3 and yet yeilded nothing or does it drop in another area i have heard issues where as the location in the jornal says it there but like i said i have recived nothing and i am getting tired like many others try to get this one or dose it drop only 1 ever for ex.18 earth hours

[ArcFinix]

dose this ever drop or how bad is the drop rate and is there only cetian fates that drop Lower La Nocea: Atma of the Fish i have been there for 4 hours and nothing so i went back there this morning for another 3 and yet yeilded nothing or does it drop in another area i have heard issues where as the location in the jornal says it there but like i said i have recived nothing and i am getting tired like many others try to get this one or dose it drop only 1 ever for ex.18 earth hours

Depend.. i queue CT as a DPS and farm fate while waiting. first day i get zero, 2nd day i get 12 (yes 12 in 1 day) then i begin farming for my 2nd relic which result in a zero drop, 1 drop, zero drop, zero drop, 2 drop, 3 drop and 2 drop from third day to today.


i don't complain about grind.. i have nothing to say on that since it is what player asked for.. however i seriously find it unfair.. getting 12 in a day and zero for a few days tell me that this can happen to anyone.. a straight zero for 9 days or a 12 drop for 9 day which means they can upgrade all of their zenith to atma for all class >.>

[Pibz]

Sigh..
Hate it? Don't do it.
All this "I hated every step of the way but i still did it" is kind of stupid, why are you wasting time you're supposed to be having fun with, doing something you don't like( and makes you rather angry even) and that nothing in the game is even remotely forcing you to do? Seems crazy to me, but what do i know..
The grind will be nerfed(severely if i had to guess) in a patch or two.. the weapon is not the best, save it for later - problem solved..

[Deathscythe343]

Sigh..
Hate it? Don't do it.
All this "I hated every step of the way but i still did it" is kind of stupid, why are you wasting time you're supposed to be having fun with, doing something you don't like( and makes you rather angry even) and that nothing in the game is even remotely forcing you to do? Seems crazy to me, but what do i know..
The grind will be nerfed(severely if i had to guess) in a patch or two.. the weapon is not the best, save it for later - problem solved..

Yes, it will be nerfed but that is not a likely scenario until patch 2.3 which is likely to come out around June.

Also, I'm guessing that most people are doing this now due to the high number of people doing it presently. Zerging the fates makes them far easier. It is because of this that people are doing this now. Months down the line very few will be doing this, making the grind worse.

[Deathscythe343]

We can't even level our chocobos because we need every space of our groups to be filled with players to ensure we get a gold medal for fate completion.

Pretty sure you don't need gold.