Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Nero]

Did you even read those weapons' stats or...? criticalò hit rate? what paladin needs critical hit rate?

There you go:

http://xivdb.com/?compare/items/7219-7351-7834-7813

[meldon90]

There you go:

http://xivdb.com/?compare/items/7219-7351-7834-7813

Exactly as i said, the best stat combination is on curtana actually

[Valthein]

it should rely on something other then a giant RNG for each one. whats suppose to be all powerful all great artifact weapon shouldn't rely on the luck of a role it should have greater solid steps not some brainless zombie madness. its like it was put in as an after thought. like I said RNG is needed but not here not on this. If you were a DM in D&D and you had a player want to forge a weapon which is what this is doing, wouldn't you have them harvest specific items? a dragon's heart blood of a giant the essence of a 100 undead just to give that great weapon more meaning and focus rather then oh you slayed 100 hobgoblins 1k orcs 5 drow 2 giants nothing dropped for you better luck next time.

[Valthein]

hell my monk has 2 in 24 hours from patch start, I stopped. felt dirty like the foreign gold sellers forcing prisoners to farm shards for 16 hours everyday. also No I do not condone ppl buying their way through a game, everything should be unique unsellable.

[Nero]

Exactly as i said, the best stat combination is on curtana actually

wow... Hopefully you will never tank in DF for me. Sorry, but idk what you are looking for, but if you just go by parry/acc as Tank and totally ignore the obvious higher other Stats, then you are such a bad tank. I am not surprised that you have not beaten T5 or Ex Primals.

I do not mean to attack you, but if you do not have a clue about which stats are important/more important in combination with others, you may want to consider playing a different Class.

[Sunarie]

wow... Hopefully you will never tank in DF for me. Sorry, but idk what you are looking for, but if you just go by parry/acc as Tank and totally ignore the obvious higher other Stats, then you are such a bad tank. I am not surprised that you have not beaten T5 or Ex Primals.

I do not mean to attack you, but if you do not have a clue about which stats are important/more important in combination with others, you may want to consider playing a different Class.

For a PLD, historically, the widely accepted BiS stuff has always first met accuracy cap, and then focused on Parry and Vit. That being said, I haven't looked enough at the weapons/gear to see if accuracy is needed on the weapons, nor have I made a BiS list this go round. I was more just pointing out that getting Parry over say.. Crit or Determination has always been the choice. The only time it wouldn't be is if you were having trouble holding aggro, and for some reason needed more dps to do so.

Also, with dungeons in DF, regardless of what gear you wear, you're gonna be fine if you have the high ilvl stuff. So saying "you're a bad tank cause you go for x stat" is just you being a jerk. A dumb jerk considering the stats you mentioned are two of the most sought after for a PLD.

[SirSaber]

Reeks of 1.0 stalling. Hamlet, and that laughable excuse for content with the Imperial invasion events come to mind. But at least the former took a modicum of skill, complete with unique mechanics. FATEs, however, have always been a numbers game, and sadly nothing more. I daresay it is one of the least cognitive things to do in this game. I likely would have snapped if I didn't have a second monitor to focus almost all my attention on, while I half-assedly ran around zones hitting things within blue circles. Which is precisely the problem here.

If something to grind on is horrendously dull and vapid, yet has gracious RNG implemented, that can be forgiven relatively easy.

If something has incredibly steep levels of RNG, yet is entertaining, that can also be forgiven easily. To me, Hamlet fits in this category.

If it is both dull, and also possesses very poor drop rates, as long as you are given a sense of progression for doing it, even that can be forgiven.

This FATE grind is somehow not only boring beyond any reasonable means, with spartan as all hell RNG, but there is no progression if you did not get it from the FATE you just did. It is a gambler's fallacy to think just because you have been grinding in a single zone for over 3 hours, the chance is somehow greater it will drop. Your chances are no better than when you just zoned in and did your first FATE. It has nothing of appeal, so it fails as a mechanic.

The FFXI relic comparison doesn't really hold water, because from doing Dynamis, myriad currency, crafted items, mountains of currency, attestation, currency for days, they all, for the most part, always had a sense of progression. With the exception of the final stage in Xarcabard, pretty much everything you did concerning the relic quest was a step in the right direction, no matter how minuscule it was. This FATE nonsense, on the other hand, is the equivalent of rolling several dice. If they all land six, you get to progress, anything else, you are no better off than when you started x hours ago. Probably worse for it, considering you've wasted so much time for what amounts to nothing, unless you really care about FATE achievements.

The new crafting tool requirements are fairly grueling. 50 HQ Silver Brocade, another 10 HQ for the Spectacles, that is 120 Twinthread I need to manufacture. But it's not something to really bitch about, because every success is one step closer to the goal. I can see the finish line in the distance, rather than flailing around blindly in the dark for the exit like these FATEs have people do. It's just a terribly poor mechanic, and it is baffling to me why people are defending it.

[NxOphelia]

2 days and 2 hours of grinding on the 3rd day (quit, because i was fed up) = 0 Atma . FANTASTIC.

*yes zenith is equipped
*yes i have space in my inv.

[Eardstapa]

Nanaya... Deserves a medal for the cold hard truth.

[Pinworms]

I would rather have the unknown factor in the game to get these items because kill this many or do this many to me is a chore/job and is not fun for me. Again this quest isn't for everyone, if you don't like how this quest is set up, enjoy one of the other quests. Some people like to grind scripted fights, some people like to level off quests, some people like a little of everything. Just because one way doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean you should condemn the way, because it's the way others might enjoy.