Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[MagicJohnson]

Thats the point. Animus is suppose to be the better one, but you have to get Atma first.

The problem isn't that you have to do fates, but the drop rate of the Atmas is way too low, and after you get your atma (which doesn't change anything stat-wise) you need to grind 13500 myths in order to get your Animus. Now let's do some math. Assuming you're doing Amdapor, Brayflox HM and Halatali HM; it would take 270 runs to get enough myths for the Animus books ALONE (not to mention the grind they include in and of itself). Now, how many soldiery tomes would you get with 270 Amdapor/Halatali/Brayflox runs? You would get 12150 TOTAL. You still have the weekly cap, so if you're doing the grind for your Animus you're losing a lot of soldiery tomes; 12150 Soldiery tomes are 27 weeks of full-capping. TWENTY-SEVEN WEEKS, and 2.3 should (supposedly) come out in 12 weeks (3 months).

[MagicJohnson]

What I'm trying to get at is that the Atma / Animus isn't something most people will have the patience to do, it's excessively grindy. There will always be people able to endure the grind, but I wouldn't call them "Hardcore" or "Skilled" gamers while calling us "Casual" and "Unskilled". The players that will be able to complete the Atma / Animus Relic quest have WAY too much time in their hands (I mean no offense by this), and they have great deals of patience. In the end people will be beating T9 without Animus, which will make all that past grind worthless, because everyone will be in Allagan gear.

PS: I can't belive this forum has a 1000 character cap... What is this, 2010?

Also please forgive any inconsistencies with my grammar, English isn't my mother language.

[Roris]

Decent way to do time consuming stuff: kill a set number of enemies.

Bad way to do time consuming stuff: kill an indeterminate number of enemies, determined only by RNG.

Though arguably the bad way consumes more time therefore it succeeds at being time consuming, amirite.

[Gukster]

What I'm trying to get at is that the Atma / Animus isn't something most people will have the patience to do, it's excessively grindy. There will always be people able to endure the grind, but I wouldn't call them "Hardcore" or "Skilled" gamers while calling us "Casual" and "Unskilled". The players that will be able to complete the Atma / Animus Relic quest have WAY too much time in their hands (I mean no offense by this), and they have great deals of patience. In the end people will be beating T9 without Animus, which will make all that past grind worthless, because everyone will be in Allagan gear.

PS: I can't belive this forum has a 1000 character cap... What is this, 2010?

Also please forgive any inconsistencies with my grammar, English isn't my mother language.

You can bypass the limit by editing the original post.

[Gilthas]

The problem isn't that you have to do fates, but the drop rate of the Atmas is way too low, and after you get your atma (which doesn't change anything stat-wise) you need to grind 13500 myths in order to get your Animus. Now let's do some math. Assuming you're doing Amdapor, Brayflox HM and Halatali HM; it would take 270 runs to get enough myths for the Animus books ALONE (not to mention the grind they include in and of itself). Now, how many soldiery tomes would you get with 270 Amdapor/Halatali/Brayflox runs? You would get 12150 TOTAL. You still have the weekly cap, so if you're doing the grind for your Animus you're losing a lot of soldiery tomes; 12150 Soldiery tomes are 27 weeks of full-capping. TWENTY-SEVEN WEEKS, and 2.3 should (supposedly) come out in 12 weeks (3 months).

One problem with your math here is that there are other ways to obtain myths besides the new dungeons, with some of them actually giving more Myth (like the daily duty roulette).

The other problem is that you assume that a player should stop farming Myths once they reach the Soldiery cap otherwise they'll get "wasted", when in fact nothing prevents you from continuing to farm them. So going "TWENTY-SEVEN WEEKS" is meaningless.

Either way, it's a grind to get all that Myth, but it doesn't take 27 weeks.

[L-D-Omlette]

One problem with your math here is that there are other ways to obtain myths besides the new dungeons, with some of them actually giving more Myth (like the daily duty roulette).

The other problem is that you assume that a player should stop farming Myths once they reach the Soldiery cap otherwise they'll get "wasted", when in fact nothing prevents you from continuing to farm them. So going "TWENTY-SEVEN WEEKS" is meaningless.

Either way, it's a grind to get all that Myth, but it doesn't take 27 weeks.

He is also assuming that they won't adjust tome rates in 2.3 like they did in 2.1. I suspect they will make adjustments then, if not sooner, and tomes will be obtained at a more favorable rate.

[Zell1226]

This stupid quest is for the birds. They should know by now that everyone HATES STUPID FATES, ESPECIALLY LOW LEVEL ONES. I don't want to spam this garbage content for eternity. I've spent 10 hours and only have 4, meanwhile some people have more and have spent half the time I have. It should be "kill X number of enemies" or "do X number of FATEs" instead of RNG bullcrap. I'm really irritated at these stupid design choices.

[Siobahn]

I can say that I probably won't be playing long if the drop rate on the atmas isn't severely increased. 7 hours the first day, 6 hours the second, still no atma. I've farmed from 17.5k GC seals to 50k now, and still no atma. SE can shove this RNG straight up their ass.

[MagicJohnson]

One problem with your math here is that there are other ways to obtain myths besides the new dungeons, with some of them actually giving more Myth (like the daily duty roulette).

The other problem is that you assume that a player should stop farming Myths once they reach the Soldiery cap otherwise they'll get "wasted", when in fact nothing prevents you from continuing to farm them. So going "TWENTY-SEVEN WEEKS" is meaningless.

Either way, it's a grind to get all that Myth, but it doesn't take 27 weeks.

Yeah you're right there. I was kind of lazy with my math there. But there's no accurate way to calculate how long it'll take for each individual player, since everyone plays at their own pace. For example: If you did your two dailies, which are: Main Scenario (130 Myths total) and High Lvl Roulette (100 Myths total) it would take you about 59 Days, which is a little less than 8 and a half weeks. You also got to take into account that players won't be doing the Atma/Animus Relic quest only, because there are plenty of new things to do (which ultimately will give you better rewards than an Animus Relic).

In my opinion, the best way to make this more accesible and worthile for everyone it'd be if:
1° Myth rewards got buffed OR Animus Book price is reduced.
2° Atma farming isn't as random as it is now. Some people get one Atma in 10 minutes, while others have to farm 6 hours to even get one. Because as it stands now it's only a matter of luck.

[Doo]

Spamming tutorial low level content for one of the best weapons in the game sounds so terrible. I can't take anymore FAteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!

Would probably be a decent seasonal event if they added seasonal Fates.