Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[bokchoykn]

Compared to grinding in a game for a year or longer for one item.. Being a tad overly dramatic I'd say.

The relic is not just for showy vanity purposes, it has a use later on as it will be upgradable.

The only people who find this acceptable are FFXI veterans who think it's okay to do something so mind-numbing and devoid of challenge because it gets them items. You people don't care about fun factor. You simply care about the prestige of possessing items, despite the mile of shit you had to hike through to get it. As someone who likes video games, this attitude disgusts me. Stop enabling S-E to churn out uninspired shit and trying to pass it as actual content.

I don't really care what the relic is used for. The process to get it is insulting to gamers.

[Starlord]

The only people who find this acceptable are FFXI veterans who think it's okay to do something so mind-numbing and devoid of challenge because it gets them items. As someone who likes video games, this attitude disgusts me. Stop enabling S-E to churn our uninspired shit and trying to pass it as actual content.

I don't really care what the relic is used for. The process to get it is insulting to gamers.

Be lucky we got long term content, you could have gotten the easy version that is "Relic Reborn". I rather have that then something that I can get done within a day or two for a "Relic/Zodiac".

Things this does right:

1) Gets people to the open world instead of 2 days of doing it and then you sit in your nest waiting for DF to pop lol
2) Stops this whole issue of " It's a Monday game (I have plenty of things to do personally)"

In terms of Open World content it's a step in the right direction as they are practically promoting you to go to the open world.

[bokchoykn]

Be lucky we got long term content, you could have gotten the easy version that is "Relic Reborn". I rather have that then something that I can get done within a day or two for a "Relic/Zodiac".

It's not about TIME. Why can't you realize this?

If you are going to wave a carrot in front of me and make me grind my ass off and play the game to get it, that's fine. That is the nature of MMO's and I'm prepared to do that. Just make me do something actually challenging, social, interactive, and fun. Because at the end of the day, I'm playing a video game and I want to have fun.

[Starlord]

It's not about TIME. Why can't you realize this?

If you are going to wave a carrot in front of me and make me grind my ass off and play the game to get it, that's fine. That is the nature of MMO's and I'm prepared to do that. Just make me do something actually challenging, social, interactive, and fun. Because at the end of the day, I'm playing a video game and I want to have fun.

Sure it is about time, that's all this forums complain about is time " This is a Monday game blah blah" " I log in on Monday, then I have to find something else to do" " No Content" XD

[bokchoykn]

Sure it is about time, that's all this forums complain about is time " This is a Monday game blah blah" " I log in on Monday, then I have to find something else to do" " No Content" XD

Well, that's certainly not my complaint. You responded to my post, did you not? Well, I don't speak for the others then.

To me, it's not about time. It's about the quality of the content.

FATEs are not fun. They are FILLER content. In fact, I feel dirty using the word "content" to describe them. Does anyone here actually disagree with me and can truthfully say that FATEs are fun and compelling content?

[Starlord]

Well, that's certainly not my complaint. You responded to my post, did you not? Well, I don't speak for the others then.

To me, it's not about time. It's about the quality of the content.

And to me that's exactly what I ( as in my opinion) got. "Quality Content" is subjective. You may think it's trash, when I think it's treasure " One man's trash is another man's treasure" :P

[SendohJin]

And to me that's exactly what I ( as in my opinion) got. "Quality Content" is subjective. You may think it's trash, when I think it's treasure " One man's trash is another man's treasure" :P

i think you're the first one to claim grinding Low Level FATEs at Lv 50 to be treasure.

[bokchoykn]

And to me that's exactly what I ( as in my opinion) got. "Quality Content" is subjective. You may think it's trash, when I think it's treasure " One man's trash is another man's treasure" :P

You're right. Fun is subjective.


I find fun doing things that other people don't find fun. For instance, I'd join EX Primals party finder groups almost every day despite not needing a single thing from it. My FC mates would ask "are you a masochist? why are you constantly doing this shit?" Well, I find it fun because I liked to interact with the people on my server, help people pass content that they struggle with, challenge myself to become a better player, etc... While my FC mates still disagree with what I consider fun, I was still able to explain the subjectivity of fun in an objective way

However, lets talk about the subjectivity of "fun" in the context of FATES in an objective way.

Is it challenging? No. If you can mount/dismount a chocobo and tag mobs, you're golden.
Is it social? No. You join groups but there is no teamwork. The purpose of the group is not for social interaction but for sharing contribution. You can chat with each other, but the extent of conversation in FATE groups can be summarized: "hi", "bye", and "this sux".
Is it compelling? No. For fucks sakes, you're level synced to 17 and have none of your friggin abilities so you can zerg down a giant frog who isn't even really trying to kill you, and you're doing it without a reason.
Is it artistic? No. No actual content is being created here. You are doing fates that you've already done while leveling. The only thing they actually added were items and text.

So, tell me for real. Do you consider farming FATEs for Atmas as fun and compelling content? Or are they simply okay and acceptable.

[Doo]

And to me that's exactly what I ( as in my opinion) got. "Quality Content" is subjective. You may think it's trash, when I think it's treasure " One man's trash is another man's treasure" :P

I don't like grinding them for EXP. I don't like FATEs as much as the next person does, but if it's for the sake of long lasting content, I can put up with it for now. oks through myth.

Doesn't sound like you think it's quality to me o_O. Just re-using easy leveling tutorial content fates.

[LexSunfire]

The only people who find this acceptable are FFXI veterans who think it's okay to do something so mind-numbing and devoid of challenge because it gets them items. You people don't care about fun factor. You simply care about the prestige of possessing items, despite the mile of shit you had to hike through to get it. As someone who likes video games, this attitude disgusts me. Stop enabling S-E to churn our uninspired shit and trying to pass it as actual content.

I don't really care what the relic is used for. The process to get it is insulting to gamers.

your use of generalizations and broad categorizations is ridiculous. the people who are fine with the current atma quest go beyond ffxi veterans. don't make statements unsupported by facts- it disgusts me.