Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Clavaat]

You put the time in and you will eventually get it.

Let's look briefly at the new weapons, because I think people are looking at iLVL and nothing else

Atma: Low risk, low reward - the weapons have the exact same stats as your Zenith, but 10 ilvls higher. They are also not difficult to obtain
Animus: Low risk, medium reward - You have to collect mythology (easy, but a lot) and complete some tasks.
Weathered Masterworks: Medium risk, medium reward - slightly better than Animus in most cases, but requires soldiery and Allagan Tomestone
Masterworks: ??? risk, high reward - Very powerful weapons, but so far no confirmation of where you get the Oil of Time
Leviathan: High Risk, High Reward - On par with Masterworks, some randomness involved with drop rate, but a difficult fight
T5 weapons: High Risk, Medium reward - Still better than Atma/Animus, but only slightly. About on par with non-Tidal Leviathan weapons
T9 weapons: High Risk, High Reward - Best weapons

Take a step back and look at your options. Decide where you stand as a player (Do you think you can beat Leviathan EX? T5? T9?, Do you have the time to work on the other weapons?, etc). Weigh your options. Do not mindlessly chase after FATEs if you think you can do better. Focus on other things. Just because they are 10 ilvls higher does not mean they are better. They lead into better weapons, yes, but I think the best approach is to take it as not becoming the best weapons in the game. So far, what I've done is as I'm doing other quests/waiting for queue, I will participate in FATEs as I pass by and leave it at that. I don't feel pressured this way, and my time isn't really being used up all that much. Remember, you have options.

EDIT: From another thread:

RE-EDIT: Nvm, wasn't confirmed.

[TeaTimeBear]

Options.

They're not gonna listen so don't bother. They don't care about options all they wanna do is flame.

[Clavaat]

They're not gonna listen so don't bother. They don't care about options all they wanna do is flame.

The only point I'm really trying to make is to people who are upset about this quest. If you feel like you don't have time/skill for a certain weapon, you have the choice to pick another to strive toward. It's about balance, and I feel this quest fits perfectly into the balance they were trying to achieve. NA players took it a different direction and saw it as, "These are the new relics, therefore the best weapons, therefore, I need to do this now, oh this is taking awhile, I'm mad." Seriously, just take a step back and look at your choices before jumping to conclusions.

[TeaTimeBear]

The only point I'm really trying to make is to people who are upset about this quest. If you feel like you don't have time/skill for a certain weapon, you have the choice to pick another to strive toward. It's about balance, and I feel this quest fits perfectly into the balance they were trying to achieve. NA players took it a different direction and saw it as, "These are the new relics, therefore the best weapons, therefore, I need to do this now, oh this is taking awhile, I'm mad." Seriously, just take a step back and look at your choices before jumping to conclusions.

I get and agree with that, but people aren't listening I've also been saying the same in this thread but it falls on deaf ears. Which leads me to feel that maybe people just want everything no matter the circumstance of whether they need it or not.

[Yukiko]

Maybe players just like to do other stuff too and not only one single content farming...
Can you really do other things? Sure, yea, leave the area and miss the F.A.T.E. because you do not need that one specific F.A.T.E. ... *lol*

After Chocobo leveling with F.A.T.E.S. players can not see them any more!
Those who done so can tell you many stories about "single content farming"...

[necrosis]

The only point I'm really trying to make is to people who are upset about this quest. If you feel like you don't have time/skill for a certain weapon, you have the choice to pick another to strive toward. It's about balance, and I feel this quest fits perfectly into the balance they were trying to achieve. NA players took it a different direction and saw it as, "These are the new relics, therefore the best weapons, therefore, I need to do this now, oh this is taking awhile, I'm mad." Seriously, just take a step back and look at your choices before jumping to conclusions.

You really do not understand the concept of tangible progression.

The metric f-ton of myth you need after the FATE farming does not bother me. Every run I do brings me closer to my goal. I know how much I will get for each run/time spent. FATE farming however is all RNG. Its not "I am going to do 6 FATE's and get XXX atma." It is "I am going to spend an unknown amount of time and get a unknown amount of atma." Could spend a hour and get 3. Could spend 12 hours and get 3. This is what is BS. You can not calculate how much time it will take to get to your goal.

[Eagleheart]

You really do not understand the concept of tangible progression.

And then, when Dev Team acquiesced on this particular topic, and since Zodiac was meant to be a grind, the required amount of items/tokens/souls/what have you would be set very high to keep the timesink aspect, at which point, no one would be lucky at all, and everyone would be slugging away for weeks/months. People would complain and demand that the threshold be set lower, to a point where everyone felt "comfortable", except that "comfort" with regards to a drops system is a highly relative concept, and most everyone should still be unhappy...

O_o Or... it could be done as it is, with some RNG on an event that is not at all rare, and some folks might finish a little early due to luck with the dice.

I like token systems as much as anyone; I felt that Abyssea was the best thing to happen to FFXI since... well, ever. However, the token system is really not required when you have a goal that is literally all over the place at every moment of the day.

FATEs are frequent to the point of constancy. RNG at that point is perhaps annoying at times but not brutal.

RNG on something you can only do once a week; that is brutal.

[Clavaat]

You can not calculate how much time it will take to get to your goal.

Because it's irrelevant. This was designed to be the "casual level of skill" (note I didn't say casual level of time) option. It wasn't meant to be difficult, it was meant to be time consuming. There are more difficult options that will result in a "faster" reward, time-wise (i.e. Beating Leviathan, if you do it perfectly, will only take about 10-20 minutes, or w/e).

If you don't like the option you made your goal, change your goal. Go for Masterworks instead, as it also is based on Tomestone requirements, which is what you said you can handle.

I would not want the dev's to get rid of or change this option of play. It works very well for how I play.

Stop limiting your thinking into Anima is the only option.

[skaterger]

You really do not understand the concept of tangible progression.

The metric f-ton of myth you need after the FATE farming does not bother me. Every run I do brings me closer to my goal. I know how much I will get for each run/time spent. FATE farming however is all RNG. Its not "I am going to do 6 FATE's and get XXX atma." It is "I am going to spend an unknown amount of time and get a unknown amount of atma." Could spend a hour and get 3. Could spend 12 hours and get 3. This is what is BS. You can not calculate how much time it will take to get to your goal.

And you sir fail to understand the concept of law of large numbers. I'm not going to explain that here. Are there going to be people who are SUPER UNLUCKY and never see a drop after 1 week of farming? Yes, but these are anomalies and outliers if you will, and in no means represent the large majority of the playerbase, who in all probability will take a fairly equal median time to farm the items across the board. Btw, I posted before that it takes 300 dungeon runs to get enough tomes for the second part of the quest. I will bet every last penny that I will get all 12 atmas faster than I can farm 300 dungeons.

And also, is it that fun to know every single thing before it happens, whether in game or in life? I prefer my life with a bit of spice and excitement and not knowing some things actually makes it more interesting for me, imo.

[Clavaat]

with a 5% drop rate, that's 20 FATEs

Welp, I'm not posting in this thread any more. I should have listened earlier TeaTimeBear.

They're not gonna listen so don't bother. They don't care about options all they wanna do is flame.

It goes beyond reason at this point. People thinking like above...clearly are beyond reasoning. Carry on with this thread, I'll be enjoying the game.