Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

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All of your awesome Myth and Coil gear is now the equivalent of Darklight... the shame!).

I know.. i just got few of my allagan for my PLD as well....

I hope they at least make ti so we can convert or trade them in.... i still have my DL from 6 months ago hoping i can get reimbursed...

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I know.. i just got few of my allagan for my PLD as well....

I hope they at least make ti so we can convert or trade them in.... i still have my DL from 6 months ago hoping i can get reimbursed...

So.. you didn't get any use out of the DL gear then? It didn't make gaining the Allagan/myth easier? And now, you don't think having Myth/Allagan will make the new content easier to get started with?

This is an MMO and this is how MMOs work, Whether the progression is vertical or horizontal, gear that you work on getting for a while will always become useless (stat wise) eventually. And if it didn't, then no one would continue to play once they became BiS.

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To expand on this, I've been playing since 1.0 and launch and I am still impressed when I see someone with an Allagan weapon. Will I be less impressed after this patch? A little. It's still going to be difficult, and the full extent of the Echo Buff doesn't hit until 6-8 whole weeks from patch. However, there is a whole new set to be impressed by.

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Whether the progression is vertical or horizontal, gear that you work on getting for a while will always become useless (stat wise) eventually.

Not exactly.

Vertical progression(FFXIV) means the gear are old within 2-3 months... Horizontal progression means, those gears will be useful even if there is new gears available.

FFXIV have it so that you MUST get a new gear every 2-3 months.

Horizontal progression keeps things useful(lot longer than a vertical). Getting a weapon just to get another weapon(in 5-6 days) is kinda bad design.

For example.. a weapon that hits for 2x or have a "enhances internal release" will have it uses even if there is a new generic weapon with higher stats available.


I was doing coil with AK/DL gears, when DL was hard to get.

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Whether the progression is vertical or horizontal, gear that you work on getting for a while will always become useless (stat wise) eventually. And if it didn't, then no one would continue to play once they became BiS.

Actually, this is 99% true with Vertical progression only. Horizontal tend to keep BiS gear scattered throughout new and old content to keep said content relevant through the years. Eventually, horizontal progression gear will be outdated but MUCH slower than Vertical.

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Actually, this is 99% true with Vertical progression only. Horizontal tend to keep BiS gear scattered throughout new and old content to keep said content relevant through the years. Eventually, horizontal progression gear will be outdated but MUCH slower than Vertical.

But by doing that, you make other gear useless. By that I mean, an item at lvl30 may be better than items at lvl50...but all of the items in between are useless, too. IMO, the higher level item should be the better one.

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But by doing that, you make other gear useless. By that I mean, an item at lvl30 may be better than items at lvl50...but all of the items in between are useless, too. IMO, the higher level item should be the better one.

That's an extreme example. Even in XI at best one of the 'best' items that wasn't end-game were level 59-65 that was crafted at 75 cap. Most 'BiS' was spread through content which didn't create other gear being useless, it just means until you hit end-game, you actually had something worthwhile that wouldn't become useless in the next update.

In XIV, DL was useless out the gate as Myth and coil gear already existed in terms of progression. Hell, even majority of the crafted gear in this game is worthless when dungeon drops is far superior due to added stats you can't get on crafting.

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In XIV, DL was useless out the gate as Myth and coil gear already existed in terms of progression. Hell, even majority of the crafted gear in this game is worthless when dungeon drops is far superior due to added stats you can't get on crafting.

That's an extreme example. You're lying to yourself if you say you didn't use DL for long time before having access to myth/allagan. FFXI was you get O.kotes at lvl34, you're set forever on SAM and MNK. Get AF, you're good for most content. They weren't even hard to get...just took unnecessarily long. Obviously, I'm talking pre-abyssea which is when I played.

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That's an extreme example.

So what you're saying is - You still use your DL gear for your main even after you get i90, which came out in the same patch as DL gear?