Parsers

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It's not irrational. It's because you're NOT going to change abusive people. They will never go away, at least not in our life time.

Well, it is not irrational to stand up against abusive people, ignoring them will not make it go away either.

my "friend" owns a parser, which he uses for himself, and if when notices any low dps, for example, a bard in gaurda fight.. reason, yhe brd did not have his DoTs up constantly.

my "friend" said it pt chat, "I don't see all the Dots i should see on Garuda" in general. Who knows who else it would have helped. The brd kept his rotation the next fight.

There r many ways to solve a problem without ignoring of course.

[Delsus]

Well, it is not irrational to stand up against abusive people, ignoring them will not make it go away either.

my "friend" owns a parser, which he uses for himself, and if when notices any low dps, for example, a bard in gaurda fight.. reason, yhe brd did not have his DoTs up constantly.

my "friend" said it pt chat, "I don't see all the Dots i should see on Garuda" in general. Who knows who else it would have helped. The brd kept his rotation the next fight.

There r many ways to solve a problem without ignoring of course.

Now that is how criticism should be, offering specific advice to help the party, that is the kind of comment I would respond to positively in a fight.

Again, OP has stated that he didn't care about the parsing and just used it as an angle to crucify someone for calling him out. This thread is not "Parsers contribute to an elitist and toxic gaming environment and should be forbidden;" this thread is "Parsers let me get people I don't like banned and should be forbidden just in case I have the opportunity to get somebody with them!"

Yoshi has already pretty well explained why parsers have been left in that grey area. Parsing isn't cheating, but he doesn't want players butting heads over "must do XXX DPS or kick." Yet somehow, OP has taken the third way, where the law exists only for his own amusement and not for the benefit of the community at large. That's what so damn disgusting about this thread. This instance is hardly some egregious abuse. "DPS is too low" is not an uncommon problem in fights, and it isn't going to take long before everyone points out the obvious weak link, parser or no. It happens with tanks and healers, too, even where they aren't parsed: people will call out tanks for taking too much damage due to not rotating cooldowns properly (or at all), and healers get knocked for not healing properly at critical periods like mountain buster, double WW, or death sentence.

You completely missed the point of this thread, and that is the statement that parsers ARE being used for the purpose of harassing players, now if this continues SE could block the use of parsers (use strong encryption on the chat logs) over night, or with more work detect when a program other than the client is accessing them. Now (And I will state this for at least the 5th time but no one seems to read it) By all means tell me my damage isn't up to par, but a comment like "Are you trolling" offers no help, no advice it offers nothing to the community other than to make people feel bad.

Constructive criticism is "Delsus your damage isn't up to par with your gear, the BRD is doing much more, are you sure your rotations are right" at which point I could reply (as an example) "well my DoTs and heavy thrust are need to be done at the right position, which will be lowering damage, when they are moving around. Also when they are moving around a lot I have to chase them, whereas BRDs don't, but I'll see what I can do" But "Delsus are you trolling, you did xxk damage" offers nothing It would be akin to (specifically prior to the nerf) in Sunken Temple of Quarn parties dying to Mortal Ray "Guys you are all dying stop sucking" rather than "Guys you need to run to the playforms to remove doom asap" very similar comments one offers advice, and the other serves only to put people down.

This thread is a more a lesson, it only takes a few people using parsers to harass people to make them taboo, and potentially a very serious violation, It wouldn't take much work at all to prevent their use completely, or to make workaround too much work to bother with.

[Shirai]

Now that is how criticism should be, offering specific advice to help the party, that is the kind of comment I would respond to positively in a fight.

Yet, I still refrain from doing so.
Simply because there are too many people out there that see even that as being insulted.

[Delsus]

Yet, I still refrain from doing so.
Simply because there are too many people out there that see even that as being insulted.

Many times in DF I have helped people, in Quarn "Guys you need to kill the bees ASAP, tank can't take 2x final sting" (before the nerf) organising positioning on Garuda when we wipe to 3x AoEs, I see a missing Shield Oath on the tank, I mention it and there's no issues. It's about saying it in a polite manner, by all means say someone sucks, just don't make it sound like you are trying to intentionally hurt them.