Parsers

[Araeya]

Why don't you ask this question to people who commited suicide due to constant bullying, be it in the RW or the internet? Oh wait, you can't they're dead.

Frankly, if someone is capable of doing something as permanent as committing suicide (which, by the way isn't really appropriate for these forums, IMO) over something stupid someone said to them on the internet (or even IRL), they are most likely going to try it due to other difficulties later in life unless they get some serious help. Our society is raising a generation of people who are ill-equipped to deal with the serious difficulties (such as life-threatening illness, the loss of a child, being homeless, being assaulted, etc) they will possibly have to endure throughout their lifetimes. Is it right to treat someone poorly? No. But, is it the fault of the person running off at the mouth if the recipient decides they need to do something that drastic? No. We are all responsible for our own actions. The sad thing to me is that we have let our society get to the point where we even have terms like 'cyber-bullying' and that people are now so susceptible to overreaction to such small, insignificant things. Unless your physical well-being is being threatened or taken from you by force, shrug that shit off and move on. Thin skin is not conducive to the continuation of a species.

[NeoAmon]

My god lol, this thread...

OP and his followers are funny.

We have a dps forum with many great players of each job. Most are willing to go to a great length to help you out, why not try to improve instead of crying about one of the few tools we got to test rotations and builds?

Alternatively few gills in the right pocket can get you twin kills plus screen shot with text chat saying you are the best player ever, some do offer customized messages.

[Mirakumi]

The two things of advice I can give OP is #1 if someone says something in PT that is saying such as, "your dps is too low" just say, "how could you tell?" Half of the time I have seen people reply in chat "I'm Parsing." herp derp. Way to get yourself banned.
# 2 is by going to the dd forums/ and check out your rotation - after that why not make a learner party and when you feel comfortable with dd just get a group together. (Also practice your rotation on target dummies!)

[Cailae]

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see some serious misplaced anger here. Instead of "Man my DPS was terrible, maybe I should improve and try again later" it's "BAN THAT GUY FOR MEASURING MY PERFORMANCE!" or making personal what is essentially a logical decision; there are 7 people here pulling their weight, and one that is not. I have a finite amount of time to play this game and would like to complete my objective. Remove the dead weight and finish. get over it, get better. It's entirely within your control if it happens again or not.

[Provoke]

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see som

Don't get your so heated brother, most of the people in this thread don't actually know whats going on, they cannot understand simple things. One person actually thought parsing was cheating, lol'd pretty hard at that one.

[skaterger]

Frankly, if someone is capable of doing something as permanent as committing suicide (which, by the way isn't really appropriate for these forums, IMO) over something stupid someone said to them on the internet (or even IRL), they are most likely going to try it due to other difficulties later in life unless they get some serious help. Our society is raising a generation of people who are ill-equipped to deal with the serious difficulties (such as life-threatening illness, the loss of a child, being homeless, being assaulted, etc) they will possibly have to endure throughout their lifetimes. Is it right to treat someone poorly? No. But, is it the fault of the person running off at the mouth if the recipient decides they need to do something that drastic? No. We are all responsible for our own actions. The sad thing to me is that we have let our society get to the point where we even have terms like 'cyber-bullying' and that people are now so susceptible to overreaction to such small, insignificant things. Unless your physical well-being is being threatened or taken from you by force, shrug that shit off and move on. Thin skin is not conducive to the continuation of a species.

You realize clinical depression, and to a larger extent mental illnesses is as debilitating an illness as cancer or HIV is right?

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topic...on/index.shtml

I know because I have suffered from it before. And where do people who are alienated from society retreat to? The anonymity of online gaming and the internet. I'm not saying that every player that plays ff14 is a nutcase but you have to admit there are some out there. If its an offense to kill another with a physical weapon, I don't see why a person should be absolved of all blame if the victim considers the bullying severe enough to take his or her own life, even if the offender did not directly pull the trigger. I sense a very strong case of double standards here.

Your theory of natural selection and evolution is well and good and I can't deny it brought us to where human society is today. But aren't there enough examples of these everyday as witnessed in violent crimes on a daily basis? The Ukraine turmoil, North Korea, the girl who killed herself after being raped in Pakistan. All these are power struggles caused by personal selfish desires and being inconsiderate towards the needs of others and realizing that they are just as flesh and blood as you are. You will probably argue that cyber bullying is a far cry from the aforementioned issues, but if we take your stand and allow it to fester, it will fuel far worse repercussions in the future.

[skaterger]

This thread is blowing my mind. It's bullying now to call someone out on being sub-par? Bosses are bullies for firing you? Schools are bullies for failing you? Bar association for not making you a lawyer because you failed the exam? Just. Wow. Why are we not angry that rather than improve, players want to sweep it under the rug. I see some serious misplaced anger here. Instead of "Man my DPS was terrible, maybe I should improve and try again later" it's "BAN THAT GUY FOR MEASURING MY PERFORMANCE!" or making personal what is essentially a logical decision; there are 7 people here pulling their weight, and one that is not. I have a finite amount of time to play this game and would like to complete my objective. Remove the dead weight and finish. get over it, get better. It's entirely within your control if it happens again or not.

Just to be clear, I never stated that the OP was bullied. It was the other poster who first used the term "bullying" and I'm just responding as a separate issue on bullying. Personally I didn't feel that it was a big deal, but maybe trolling to me is just like "hey stop joking around and be serious now!".

Anyway, I'm going to take my leave from this thread and play the game. Reading what some people post can really increase your blood pressure.

[Pooky_Pasha]

OP, are you trolling? Just kidding! Please, please don't make a post about my douchebaggery!

But seriously, given:
1) We have no screenshot with what was actually said,
2) We have a biased version of only one side of what happened,
I don't see any thing wrong with what he did. If your damage was so bad on Moogle fight that someone felt the need to question your intentions, I would probably do the same. I may or may not run a parser, but when I can know for a fact that my straight VIT build WAR is outputting 25%+ more damage than an equally gear Zenith dps, I often have the same thoughts that healer did. It really sounds like the healer was taking the fight seriously for himself or someone he was helping, and thought you might be trying to ruin it for the others.

[TomTom1968]

If Parsers are used in statics, they are fine. They can help to see who needs to improve most and if a class is available twice in your static, parsers give you a nice way of comparing yourself and taking the challenge in case you are behind your mate. Parsers are also nice to see if a new rotation works out in an instance.

Everything else is as far as my experiences go only a form of calling out and another method to blame somebody. You can't expect that others take the Game as serious as you do. Majority gives a crap about the best way to run a dungeon. They want to beat it and done. How it happened doesn't matter.

Last week I was in CT with my main char and in the first fights, I was always helping one of the other groups because we got our targets down quickly. In the Behemoth fight I got a call from work I had to accept. Not beeing able to concentrate anymore I died twice in that fight and barely made any damage. Directly after the fight, a guy from another alliance called me out lol.

Even after I told him that I sadly was brain afk due to a phone call, he continued to talk about me. That's exactly what I mean. He did not look at the other fight results which should have showed me at the first third of his parser list at least, no that one time fuckup because Real Life interrupted me was in his focus. I have yet to see a public run where a guy running a parser says "Player yyz, nice DPS". It is only used for the blame finger. People don't learn from such statements so SE's attitude about parsers is perfectly fine with me. If you use them in your fight club (which doesn't exist as we all know) nobody cares, if you put the blame on ppl in a public run using parser results, you can get in trouble for it.

[Shyluv]

I never said running a parser in itself was bullying. But in CT and primals I have seen many people bully and harass because someone was parsing low.

Yes, you can be bullied over the internet. Just because it's not face to face doesn't mean anything.