Parsers

[Shirai]

Using or talking about parsers themselves is not a bannable offense.
Using them as a tool for harassment is.

I parse, I openly talk about parsers with my own LS/FC mates but I never mention people's performance because people can see it as harassment.
No matter how friendly I try to bring it.

Remember when video games used to be fun?

What if I told you that trying to be the best I can is part of what I percieve as having fun?

[Clavaat]

What if I told you that trying to be the best I can is part of what I percieve as having fun?

I can understand that. The quote I provided was an example of someone who sounded very much like not a fun a person.

[Gardes]

What if I told you that trying to be the best I can is part of what I percieve as having fun?

You're having fun the wrong way I say!

[KiraVaela]

You're having fun the wrong way I say!

Why would you feel entitled to say what's the correct way of having fun? People are, you know, different.

edit: Actually, now that I think about it, it's this kind of thinking that is causes the worst out of this community. People feel entitled to say how things should be done (use parser, get the best out of you, otherwise you are not having fun vs. get a life, play this video-game just for fun, this is not a hard-core game). And I say no to this. Find like-minded people with who you can enjoy the game the way you have most fun. Don't try to convince others that the way you do it is the best way to entertain themselves.

[kukurumei]

Using or talking about parsers themselves is not a bannable offense.
Using them as a tool for harassment is.

I parse, I openly talk about parsers with my own LS/FC mates but I never mention people's performance because people can see it as harassment.
No matter how friendly I try to bring it.



What if I told you that trying to be the best I can is part of what I percieve as having fun?

You must of missed Yoshi talking about it.

FF14's stance on parser is, fight club rule.

If you want to test how ban-able it is, please be banned quickly.

IF enough of these threads go through they would have to start being active about it and ban everything related to parsing. Good Job for making that one step closer.

[Vasher]

You must of missed Yoshi talking about it.

FF14's stance on parser is, fight club rule.

If you want to test how ban-able it is, please be banned quickly.

IF enough of these threads go through they would have to start being active about it and ban everything related to parsing. Good Job for making that one step closer.

It can't be detected anyway, so anyone using them can avoid ever being detected by simply not admitting to it.

So yeah, it's not being made any closer by these posts.

[kukurumei]

It can't be detected anyway, so anyone using them can avoid ever being detected by simply not admitting to it.

So yeah, it's not being made any closer by these posts.

Yes it can. developers just don't want to devote manpower to it. It's laughably easy to destory parser club, if not somewhat more harder. All they have to do is set up a banned program running thread, like 90% of the f2p mmo's out there.

Sure the parsing developers can defeat it, but can they defeat it every week? It would be the windower all over again. With the developer rage-quiting and put it off, abandon, and passing the hot potato.

[Vasher]

Yes it can. developers just don't want to devote manpower to it. It's laughably easy to destory parser club, if not someone expensive. All they have to do is set up a banned program running thread, like 90% of the f2p mmo's out there.

Sure the parsing developers can defeat it, but can they defeat it every week? It would be the windower all over again. With the developer rage-quiting and put it off, abandon, and passing the hot potato.

They can't win lol, home brew apps would just keep adapting to any changes as they lose more and more money.

[kukurumei]

They can't win lol, home brew apps would just keep adapting to any changes as they lose more and more money.

They don't have to win, they just gotta make it so annoying, that everyone gives it up. That's what happened to windower. All SE did was re-point their memory every update(it takes minimal effort to do btw).
At first it was about 48hr before a new version of windower was up. Then it was 1 week, then it was 1 month, then the developer rage quit, and passed it to another developer, then that developer rage-quit, and the windower just got longer and longer between updates.

And no one quit over not using the windower, you're blowing smoke.

This is why it's easy to ban stuff like this. Which one will you run if given a choice? a parser for a game or the game itself? All the game maker has to do is make you choose.

Only way they could stop it is if they prevented players from accessing the combat logs. Which wouldn't make sense at all since there is a combat tab in the chat window for us to view.

Why would players need to access the combat logs outside of the client? All SE has to do it encrypt it within the client, and just rotate the encryption in their weekly update.

[Vasher]

They don't have to win, they just gotta make it so annoying, that everyone gives it up. That's what happened to windower. All SE did was re-point their memory every update(it takes minimal effort to do btw).
At first it was about 48hr before a new version of windower was up. Then it was 1 week, then it was 1 month, then the developer rage quit, and passed it to another developer, then that developer rage-quit, and the windower just got longer and longer between updates.

And no one quit over not using the windower, you're blowing smoke.

This is why it's easy to ban stuff like this. Which one will you run if given a choice? a parser for a game or the game itself? All the game maker has to do is make you choose.

Well first of all I never even implied anyone quit over not having a parse, so don't put words in my mouth.

Secondly, it's not banned now, and I would put all my chips in it staying that way, so everything you say means absolutely nothing until that changes.