Monk should be more rewarding

[Misake]

No, I fly a SR-71 Blackbird but care about the environment, can't be crushing into an airplane just because I care about the numbers on the speedmeter right?
If DPS is required I go all out, but ADS really?!
There are times you have to drop your epeen meter and do something else, besides I find it way more fun and engaging to watch for something else than my damage once in a while.

You're missing the point. It's just that MNK is sooo good at what it does (dpsing stuff) that it's really unnecessary to make it do what other class is suppose to do. If your set-up group only got YOU as the silencer, then go ahead, hope you have fun. Otherwise, let the other's do their job and you do yours.

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

[Atreides]

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

I still don't see how it's "embarassing" to use the tools you're given.
Sure it's a DPS loss if I do a silence every 3rd rotation but not that much that my DPS starts to suck.
I do whatever makes my team feel more comfortable and there is nothing embarassing about being an asset.

[Skyhound]

You're missing the point. It's just that MNK is sooo good at what it does (dpsing stuff) that it's really unnecessary to make it do what other class is suppose to do. If your set-up group only got YOU as the silencer, then go ahead, hope you have fun. Otherwise, let the other's do their job and you do yours.

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS. There is little to no loss in DPS by solo-silencing. It sounds like you're the one driving your Ferrari as a Honda.

I really don't see why MNKs are complaining so much when MNKs do the most single target DPS. There is no DRG vs MNK discussion to be had when the superior party comp for max DPS is DRG + MNK. If stacking DRGs were more efficient than bringing a MNK, I would agree.

[Bloopan]

I still don't see how it's "embarassing" to use the tools you're given.
Sure it's a DPS loss if I do a silence every 3rd rotation but not that much that my DPS starts to suck.
I do whatever makes my team feel more comfortable and there is nothing embarassing about being an asset.

Since AoD silence is much MUCH more reliable than Blunt Arrow - sarcasm intended
BRDs still reign over in terms of silence since its more reliable and they bring support on the side
Your missing my point when I bolded that guy's (whatever his name is) statement

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS.

Silencing isnt even the main subject of this topic..but I'll bite

Just because a mnk can solo silence T1 and T2 doesnt automatically make it supreme over a BRD
BRDs have many arsenals that is crucial with coil groups/runs while MNKs have what? silence? mantra? really? clearly you know why its overshadowed

Read "NoctisUmbra" post, he/she brought up some good points (specially page 2 as this more closely related to what your talking about)

[Ooshima]

Considering the amount of factors that you need to be aware of when playing the job, it doesnt feel like the game is rewarding the job/players as its suppose to be

Not to mention the job is overshadowed by other DPS jobs even DRGs are getting the spotlight in the end-game content due to it being a more ideal pick than monks..

Yoshida have been already rewarding MNKs with absurd MNK drop rates from Coil and CT already lol..

[Alcyon1]

You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

You have a Ferrari and you are trying to win the Dakar ? Seriously ......
Atreides is right, drop you e-peen meter. BRD is the lowet DPS and (almost) every single party want a BRD. DPS is not the key point of this game, and aysing "DRG brings more effective DPS when there is a BRD in the group" is probably the most stupid point used here. 2MNK will do more damage than DRG+BRD, why not bring 2 MNK then why not use 2 MNK ? Actually, the game requires some burst during 15-30 seconds + a decent DPS, you have to create parties for that, not to pack big numbers and tell us you big is your e-peen.

[NoctisUmbra]

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS. There is little to no loss in DPS by solo-silencing. It sounds like you're the one driving your Ferrari as a Honda.

Arm of the Destroyer at 50 potency hitting one target versus an autocrit 150 potency Bootshine or 150 potency Dragon Kick. Also factor in how you need to pace yourself to properly time the skill available in only one stance and you've guaranteed a DPS loss, and a pretty hefty one to boot. BRDs and PLDs on the other hand simply save an off-GCD skill for the silence. That is what little to no loss in DPS looks like.

Listen, you don't have to be knowledgeable when it comes to MNK, but please don't try to call other people out on it when you've clearly got no idea what you're talking about. It's not surprising that when I look your character up I find a lv50 DRG and a lv12 PGL.


As for my 2 cents on solo-silencing Turn 2:

Each team can come up with their own strategy and how they feel comfortable doing it. Nothing to call embarrassing there. However, it should be a decision made consciously, where the team is aware that it is inefficient to do so but either doesn't have the BRDs/PLDs for it, or just prefers to have their MNK take care of it altogether. To each his own.

As for the most efficient, standard structure Turn 2 strat: It would be to have 2-3 BRDs and a DRG and go down the left path so ADS does not have piercing resistance. This not only works out wonders in the earlier nodes due to BRDs and DRG having fantastic burst, but also due to the piercing debuff being even more effective for each extra BRD. It also allows for a lot of flexibility/safety for silencing, especially if one or both of the tanks are PLDs.

[Alcyon1]

BRDs and PLDs on the other hand simply save an off-GCD skill for the silence.

L2P PLD. PLD isn't off-GCD and discurpt the combo.

[Misake]

It's frustrating the number of people in this thread talking without knowing what they're talking about. And they will insult you...

[Lemon8or]

Isn't that what you use perfect balance for, if you know there is a forced GL drop wouldn't you save perfect balance to regain the stacks and keep the dps up?

Do you know Perfect Balance has a 3 MINUTES cooldown? In fast DPS parties, I have never been able to use it again at heart phase if I use it at the start in Titan EX. Also, good luck with Ifrit EX dashes.

L2P PLD. PLD isn't off-GCD and discurpt the combo.

Irony. Spirits Within IS off-GCD and does NOT disrupt 1-2-3 combo. You just have to deal with animation lock.