Monk should be more rewarding

[Bloopan]

Cause that's a good counter argument.

Cause saying "Cause thats a good counter argument" is a good argument.

usually before someone say such claims, they usually have excellent knowledge to what their talking about

Thats just plain being ignorant (what you did) since from what Im seeing you have no monk as of the moment thus no foundation for your argument since you have if not none, close to no experienced and/or if not little, no knowledge of the job.

MNK is the single target kings of DPS. They can solo silence T1 and T2. MNK and DRG have to worry about the same things as melee classes.

Just further proves of your lack of knowledge of the job so do yourself a favor and just stop to avoid further embarassment.

[Atreides]

Just further proves of your lack of knowledge of the job so do yourself a favor and just stop to avoid further embarassment.

I think he only meant monks with solo silence and it does work just fine so I don't really understand whats so embarrassing in what he said.
I do it all the time and do only calls when something went wrong and someone else has to silence ADS.
Even then you can always PB to get that silence off.

[Misake]

I think he only meant monks with solo silence and it does work just fine so I don't really understand whats so embarrassing in what he said.
I do it all the time and do only calls when something went wrong and someone else has to silence ADS.
Even then you can always PB to get that silence off.

You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

[Atreides]

You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

No, I fly a SR-71 Blackbird but care about the environment, can't be crushing into an airplane just because I care about the numbers on the speedmeter right?
If DPS is required I go all out, but ADS really?!
There are times you have to drop your epeen meter and do something else, besides I find it way more fun and engaging to watch for something else than my damage once in a while.

[Misake]

No, I fly a SR-71 Blackbird but care about the environment, can't be crushing into an airplane just because I care about the numbers on the speedmeter right?
If DPS is required I go all out, but ADS really?!
There are times you have to drop your epeen meter and do something else, besides I find it way more fun and engaging to watch for something else than my damage once in a while.

You're missing the point. It's just that MNK is sooo good at what it does (dpsing stuff) that it's really unnecessary to make it do what other class is suppose to do. If your set-up group only got YOU as the silencer, then go ahead, hope you have fun. Otherwise, let the other's do their job and you do yours.

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

[Atreides]

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

I still don't see how it's "embarassing" to use the tools you're given.
Sure it's a DPS loss if I do a silence every 3rd rotation but not that much that my DPS starts to suck.
I do whatever makes my team feel more comfortable and there is nothing embarassing about being an asset.

[Bloopan]

I still don't see how it's "embarassing" to use the tools you're given.
Sure it's a DPS loss if I do a silence every 3rd rotation but not that much that my DPS starts to suck.
I do whatever makes my team feel more comfortable and there is nothing embarassing about being an asset.

Since AoD silence is much MUCH more reliable than Blunt Arrow - sarcasm intended
BRDs still reign over in terms of silence since its more reliable and they bring support on the side
Your missing my point when I bolded that guy's (whatever his name is) statement

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS.

Silencing isnt even the main subject of this topic..but I'll bite

Just because a mnk can solo silence T1 and T2 doesnt automatically make it supreme over a BRD
BRDs have many arsenals that is crucial with coil groups/runs while MNKs have what? silence? mantra? really? clearly you know why its overshadowed

Read "NoctisUmbra" post, he/she brought up some good points (specially page 2 as this more closely related to what your talking about)

[Skyhound]

You're missing the point. It's just that MNK is sooo good at what it does (dpsing stuff) that it's really unnecessary to make it do what other class is suppose to do. If your set-up group only got YOU as the silencer, then go ahead, hope you have fun. Otherwise, let the other's do their job and you do yours.

You seem to be having fun either way anyway, so yeah, keep doing what you're doing, but do not wonder why it's "embarassing".

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS. There is little to no loss in DPS by solo-silencing. It sounds like you're the one driving your Ferrari as a Honda.

I really don't see why MNKs are complaining so much when MNKs do the most single target DPS. There is no DRG vs MNK discussion to be had when the superior party comp for max DPS is DRG + MNK. If stacking DRGs were more efficient than bringing a MNK, I would agree.

[NoctisUmbra]

Wow this proves that YOU know absolutely nothing about being a MNK or are just a bad one yourself. A skilled MNK should be able to solo silence T1/T2 while still dishing out incredible DPS. There is little to no loss in DPS by solo-silencing. It sounds like you're the one driving your Ferrari as a Honda.

Arm of the Destroyer at 50 potency hitting one target versus an autocrit 150 potency Bootshine or 150 potency Dragon Kick. Also factor in how you need to pace yourself to properly time the skill available in only one stance and you've guaranteed a DPS loss, and a pretty hefty one to boot. BRDs and PLDs on the other hand simply save an off-GCD skill for the silence. That is what little to no loss in DPS looks like.

Listen, you don't have to be knowledgeable when it comes to MNK, but please don't try to call other people out on it when you've clearly got no idea what you're talking about. It's not surprising that when I look your character up I find a lv50 DRG and a lv12 PGL.


As for my 2 cents on solo-silencing Turn 2:

Each team can come up with their own strategy and how they feel comfortable doing it. Nothing to call embarrassing there. However, it should be a decision made consciously, where the team is aware that it is inefficient to do so but either doesn't have the BRDs/PLDs for it, or just prefers to have their MNK take care of it altogether. To each his own.

As for the most efficient, standard structure Turn 2 strat: It would be to have 2-3 BRDs and a DRG and go down the left path so ADS does not have piercing resistance. This not only works out wonders in the earlier nodes due to BRDs and DRG having fantastic burst, but also due to the piercing debuff being even more effective for each extra BRD. It also allows for a lot of flexibility/safety for silencing, especially if one or both of the tanks are PLDs.

[Alcyon1]

You have a Ferrari and you want to ride it like a Ford?

You have a Ferrari and you are trying to win the Dakar ? Seriously ......
Atreides is right, drop you e-peen meter. BRD is the lowet DPS and (almost) every single party want a BRD. DPS is not the key point of this game, and aysing "DRG brings more effective DPS when there is a BRD in the group" is probably the most stupid point used here. 2MNK will do more damage than DRG+BRD, why not bring 2 MNK then why not use 2 MNK ? Actually, the game requires some burst during 15-30 seconds + a decent DPS, you have to create parties for that, not to pack big numbers and tell us you big is your e-peen.