Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Wolfie]

Common sense was thrown completely out the window when this game was designed. You know what's stupid? Continuing to polish something that's fundamentally flawed instead of replacing it with something that works. I don't care if they make it convenient and continue to call it Market Wards as long as the process of having to travel to different wards and NPCs is COMPLETELY eliminated in favor of convenience. The immersion bit was in response to someone else so please try to read the thread before coming at me like that.

Sometimes, I wonder if this game is ever going to get good. Almost everyone with a shred of intelligence left this game a long, long time ago. It's only me, you, and like five other people that can properly analyze the game's features and point out WHY MW is bad, why developing it further is bad, and what an objectively better alternative would be.

Everyone else that's still playing this game would *** if it came from SE.

[Eldaena]

Sometimes, I wonder if this game is ever going to get good. Almost everyone with a shred of intelligence left this game a long, long time ago. It's only me, you, and like five other people that can properly analyze the game's features and point out WHY MW is bad, why developing it further is bad, and what an objectively better alternative would be.

Everyone else that's still playing this game would eat a fresh turd on a plate if it came from SE.

That's very closed-minded of you. ^^;

[Demacia]

Sometimes, I wonder if this game is ever going to get good. Almost everyone with a shred of intelligence left this game a long, long time ago. It's only me, you, and like five other people that can properly analyze the game's features and point out WHY MW is bad, why developing it further is bad, and what an objectively better alternative would be.

Everyone else that's still playing this game would eat a fresh turd on a plate if it came from SE.

Man I left the game months ago I just post here to kill time and HOPEFULLY have a part in sending this game on the right track. Threads like these make me lose hope in that ever happening though. It's ridiculous how narrow minded certain people can be on these forums. As if they can't imagine any possibilities or alternatives different than what's currently in the game. The majority left and the minority that somehow enjoy XIV want nothing to truly change.

Am I generalizing? Maybe. But chances are the only people who will call me out on it are the same people who are against AH, against auto-attack, against redesigning maps, and against anything that has ever been done right in another game.

[Wolfie]

Man I left the game months ago I just post here to kill time and HOPEFULLY have a part in sending this game on the right track. Threads like these make me lose hope in that ever happening though. It's ridiculous how narrow minded certain people can be on these forums. As if they can't imagine any possibilities or alternatives different than what's currently in the game. The majority left and the minority that somehow enjoy XIV want nothing to truly change.

It's obvious that the devs have no idea what they're doing still. And unfortunately, almost everyone with a triple digit IQ abandoned ship after the first two or three months. I'm just a masochist and I like coming back here day in and day out.

[Eldaena]

Man I left the game months ago I just post here to kill time and HOPEFULLY have a part in sending this game on the right track. Threads like these make me lose hope in that ever happening though. It's ridiculous how narrow minded certain people can be on these forums. As if they can't imagine any possibilities or alternatives different than what's currently in the game. The majority left and the minority that somehow enjoy XIV want nothing to truly change.

If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the players that have posted here advocating a market wards system, have admitted that more needs to be done...aka they truly want change. I think it's narrow-minded to believe that an AH is just going to solve all these problems. The marketwards do have potential to be great, just like this game, but it needs work. And I think everyone agrees on that.

[Demacia]

If I'm not mistaken, the majority of the players that have posted here advocating a market wards system, have admitted that more needs to be done...aka they truly change. I think it's narrowminded that an AH is just going to solve all these problems. The marketwards do have potential to be great, just like this game, but it needs work. And I think everyone agrees on that.

Read the rests of my posts please. What it all boils down to is buying/selling from a window or having to run around to different retainers and wasting time. Are you in favor of the latter?

[Eldaena]

Read the rests of my posts please. What it all boils down to is buying/selling from a window or having to run around to different retainers and wasting time. Are you in favor of the latter?

For me, it takes less than a minute to search and run to a retainer. I don't think it's that time-consuming. However, I did say in my previous post that I could reason with the people that think the system is slow to have buying from the menu, at a tax. I think that's fair. But if they never implement something like that, I wouldn't cry over it. It's not that much time.

[Wolfie]

Read the rests of my posts please. What it all boils down to is buying/selling from a window or having to run around to different retainers and wasting time. Are you in favor of the latter?

I think I've explained this at least 40 times in the last month.

Rendering the retainers brought us these inconveniences and problems with MW:

Crashing
Zones and zoning
Penalties for selling in the wrong ward
Inconsistent organization with retainers and wards
Awkward and limited searches
Frustration

Here's a list of things that can't be done with a MW system that doesn't have rendered retainers:

[Eldaena]

I think I've explained this at least 40 times in the last month.

Rendering the retainers brought us these inconveniences and problems with MW:

Crashing
Zones and zoning
Penalties for selling in the wrong ward
Inconsistent organization with retainers and wards
Awkward and limited searches
Frustration

Here's a list of things that can't be done with a MW system that doesn't have rendered retainers:

When was the last time you had the wards crash on you? It has been months for me.
The zones are not that bad. I can see why people could get mildly irritated, but it's really not that long.
They wanted to encourage people to sell in the correct ward for the majority of items they want to sell. I agree they need to increase capacity, but you know the tax for selling in the wrong ward is barely a factor. It's miniscule and we need more gil sinks anyway.
I'm not sure about the searches. I think they need to do more in the way of buying and selling searches, but other than that what is the problem? At least we CAN search now, unlike previously.
And I'm sorry that you're frustrated.

[Wolfie]

When was the last time you had the wards crash on you? It has been months for me.

It's been two weeks. More importantly, those crashes would never occur or would be extremely rare with a text based interface. The MW servers, in addition to handling item and transaction information, have to store and process graphics information. It's painfully obvious that it's not a good system if you could have ~100 NPCs in a tight zone, and then tack on a probable ~100 players.

Those are light numbers. Although at this rate I highly doubt it -- if this game ever becomes popular, you're going to have THOUSANDS of retainers and THOUSANDS of people that need to use the market wards, not just the ~600 that exist now. Hardware has limitations. It's not a scalable system.

The zones are not that bad. I can see why people could get mildly irritated, but it's really not that long.

Zoning becomes a problem when 1. you have a big grocery list of things that you need to buy, and 2. if you're playing on a slower machine. It's an overhead that's not very noticeable for one or two item purchases, but when you get to 10+, it becomes a big hindrance.

They wanted to encourage people to sell in the correct ward for the majority of items they want to sell. I agree they need to increase capacity, but you know the tax for selling in the wrong ward is barely a factor. It's miniscule and we need more gil sinks anyway.

Instead of encouraging people and not succeeding, they could have just FORCED items to be automatically categorized. When you no longer have to place your zombie in a zone, the queries that retrieve its inventory no longer needs to check if it's in the right zone or not. Lances will always be found under the "Weapons" category, cloth pieces under the "Weaving supplies" category, etc. The organization structure that's in place right now barely even has an effect; I purchased a Bone Hora from the Clothiers Ward last night and lance from the Mender's Ward. It's stupid and pointless.

I'm not sure about the searches. I think they need to do more in the way of buying and selling searches, but other than that what is the problem? At least we CAN search now, unlike previously.

The search that's available now is bare minimum search functionality. Take a look at what other games' trade searches offer. Freeform text searching, searching between levels, searching based on quality, and searching based on job/class. ALL of this IN ADDITION TO having the drop down menu/menu levels that MW already has. There's also the whole business of having to run back to the entrance to stop searching, and then start a new search if you want a new item. Compare that to just typing in another item's name or browsing the tree menu down to another item and getting them directly from the menu.

And I'm sorry that you're frustrated.

That doesn't even begin to describe my feelings toward the continued support that MW gets, but thanks.