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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post
    You're nitpicking the term RNG.

    There is a randomness factor between fights and between groups on exactly when, during which mechanic, Titan actually goes invuln and jumps.
    Oblit is correct. He's not nitpicking the term RNG. It stands for "Random Number Generator". Phase transitions and Titan jumping is 100% completely predetermined. There is absolutely nothing "Random" about it.

    The term "RNG" is often used in place of the word "Variance". It is a misnomer. Variance and RNG are completely different things and it's important not to confuse the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    Oblit is correct. He's not nitpicking the term RNG. It stands for "Random Number Generator". Phase transitions and Titan jumping is 100% completely predetermined. There is absolutely nothing "Random" about it.

    The term "RNG" is often used in place of the word "Variance". It is a misnomer. Variance and RNG are completely different things and it's important not to confuse the two.
    And when was the last time you heard anyone say "Variance"? I sure know I never have in regards to a mmo. RNG is a common place term used for a number of things, you guys are just trying to to "nitpick" the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traison View Post
    And when was the last time you heard anyone say "Variance"? I sure know I never have in regards to a mmo. RNG is a common place term used for a number of things, you guys are just trying to to "nitpick" the term.
    Or just say Random? The word is already in there. Whats the point of saying 'Number Generator'?

    You could argue that there is some RNG involved in the dps numbers which can lead to titan not always transitioning phases at the same points *gasp*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megido View Post
    Or just say Random? The word is already in there. Whats the point of saying 'Number Generator'?

    You could argue that there is some RNG involved in the dps numbers which can lead to titan not always transitioning phases at the same points *gasp*
    RNG is a common place phrase in regard of video games. You can use any word you want, if you wish, however it does not change the fact that if someone says RNG, you know what they are talking about. You can argue that RNG is simpler to say than "Random".
    RNG is pretty much a meme now a days, you may not like it, but it is, and it represents randomness in a lot of different forms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traison View Post
    RNG is a common place phrase in regard of video games. You can use any word you want, if you wish, however it does not change the fact that if someone says RNG, you know what they are talking about. You can argue that RNG is simpler to say than "Random".
    Not really. When someone says "RNG" I think of something completely random that no one can do anything about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bokchoykn View Post
    Oblit is correct. He's not nitpicking the term RNG. It stands for "Random Number Generator". Phase transitions and Titan jumping is 100% completely predetermined. There is absolutely nothing "Random" about it.

    The term "RNG" is often used in place of the word "Variance". It is a misnomer. Variance and RNG are completely different things and it's important not to confuse the two.
    This isn't a statistics class.

    The time at which Titan jumps between fights varies depending on your group's DPS with addition breakpoints depending on animations. Unless you're going to simulate the normal transition spots and predict based on your group's DPS, it is, in fact, a bit random.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rochetm View Post
    As Easymode said there are far to much random crap going on for it to be anywhere near 100%. Those people are liars or don't know they are losing it.
    With good luck on gaols and generally normal luck on transitions, a MNK can achieve close to 100%. Most regular mechanics Monks can deal with and still maintain GL. There is no landslide or bomb mechanic that should cause a drop in GL. With very high group DPS, a MNK can also maintain through a gaol, although it is iffy.

    My comment was specific to phase transitions (and I had one yesterday where Titan transitioned, then paused, then re-did his last animation -- the total phase transitions was ~15 seconds -- try to maintain GL through that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasymodeX View Post

    My comment was specific to phase transitions (and I had one yesterday where Titan transitioned, then paused, then re-did his last animation -- the total phase transitions was ~15 seconds -- try to maintain GL through that).
    That is also what I was talking about. I never lose GL except for transitions or dps taking to long on my jail. I also never lose stances except on start of heart phases. GL can be kept up between transitions sometimes but its really hard to pull off and generally not worth the risk if you have even the smallest bit of lag.
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