The problem with allowing Turn 2 Rage strat

[Shirai]

Will either side ever realize that noone is going to win this argument?
Isn't it time to move on? SE isn't going to "fix" it, and neither side is going to change their tactics because the other sais so.

I've been reading the same arguments over and over, mostly by the same people, and the only difference I see is that the posts are becoming longer and longer.

[Githiun]

I have to admit that I did the rage strat for the first time last night because my group had a monk that just couldn't get the interrupts down. We ended up just doing rage strat to get through it....I feel dirty. i'm shamed!!! /cry.

I actually do feel bad doing it..We ended up doing it with two healers though instead of three. Tank went DPS and me and the other healer felt confident we could handle it...well...I had no clue being my first time but eh, it was easy enough. 3 healers woulda been a snooze-fest.

[Noahlimits]

I have to admit that I did the rage strat for the first time last night because my group had a monk that just couldn't get the interrupts down. We ended up just doing rage strat to get through it....I feel dirty. i'm shamed!!! /cry.

I actually do feel bad doing it..We ended up doing it with two healers though instead of three. Tank went DPS and me and the other healer felt confident we could handle it...well...I had no clue being my first time but eh, it was easy enough. 3 healers woulda been a snooze-fest.

I think any party that relies on a MNK to silence is doomed for failure in general. It's not that a monk can't do it, but to constantly be in that stance waiting for the high voltage to come will make your DPS really low.

[Lunavi]

What's so "good" abou carrying potential noobs through this turn, when this isn't even hard to begin with? Unless you consider dodging of telegraphed (void zones) attacks and passing rot around hard by any means. Why would anyone need to set ridiculous high iLvl requirements? At first this fight doesn't need very high average iLvls at all, and additionally iLvl tells nothing about a player's quality and/or experience. Anyone can have a high average iLvl close to 90 by now, just by getting myth gear and grabbing one piece of CT gear each week.

And what you feel to be a stupid mechanic, is actually a test of coordination that makes this fight much more of a team effort (isn't that what raiding or grouping in general should be about?).

What is good is that we can play this content even when not everyone is online on monday when we raid for some reason. It is not "hard" but I do not want to fail repeatedly because someone is stupid, I am rather an "inresponsible player" and clear the content than being an almighty elitist god and sit there raging all monday because it is impossible finding good players who are not already in static raid groups.

Also the extremly high iLvl requirements are already in action on Garuda EX. iLvl 85 is way higher than needed on that fight and pretty much everyone that is not stupid knows that. People do that to decrease the possibility of new and inexperienced players.

[Githiun]

I think any party that relies on a MNK to silence is doomed for failure in general. It's not that a monk can't do it, but to constantly be in that stance waiting for the high voltage to come will make your DPS really low.

Fair enough but we had a bard as secondary too. I don't know much about the silence mechanics as I don't know the monk class or brd class for that matter. But i'd guess with Monk and Bard we should have been able to handle voltage.

Doesn't change the fact that I seriously feel dirty for doing the boss that way..but....i did get an upgrade sooo...lol. Happy for that!

[Sapphic]

They might have what it takes to beat Turn 2 using this cheap method, but Turn 3 will certainly stop them in their tracks..

Huh?

Turn 3 is a walk in the park! First time in there after first time we cleared turn 2, we cleared down to turn 4 crazy fast. Casual FC, geared in a mix of DL, myth and CT gear.

[Peptaru]

Huh?

Turn 3 is a walk in the park! First time in there after first time we cleared turn 2, we cleared down to turn 4 crazy fast. Casual FC, geared in a mix of DL, myth and CT gear.

I'm fairly sure the person you quoted was making a ridiculous statement about how easy T3 is; they just did so sarcastically.

[CertifiedBalla]

I've read pretty much this entire thread and I'm just baffled at how people honestly feel as if the community is being affected by a strategy developed by players, adding onto what's already there.
So many people feel as if their way is the right way or feel as if their way is the way the Devs meant for it to be done yet and still continue to argue even after having a Dev respond.
At this point, the people fighting the Enraged method make themselves seem like they have no FC, have no LS, and simply no friends in general. I don't understand how you feel as if people being "carried" is your problem when you won't accept anyone with the standards you place in the first place. You may feel as if that player is bad but at the end of the day who cares? You will and will never play with that person, you'll boot him/her the moment you notice they are bad.

[CertifiedBalla]

A person not learning one strategy and learning the other doesn't qualify them as bad and your opinion isn't a fact nor can it be proven to be a fact. People are clearly over opinionated. So many things can be assumed from the OP and from whatever "arguments" that have ensued within the OP.
If you're going to point out one thing than point out every mechanic in the game. I suppose you also feel as if the rock formation in the first boss of Quarn should be removed so all players(Meaning Ranged DPS and Healer) must receive the Doom status and stand on a square to have it removed. Too much favoritism, hypocricy, complaining, etc.

[Hiroradius]

People do the enrage strat because they don't or can't do deal with the rot. The proper way of doing the fight.

If you can't do the rot, remember there is an ADS out there that you can kill to remove the rot, go kill it with your group instead.

This enrage strategy is an exploit.. plain and simple. SE says "It's working as intended" just like Dark devices was working as intended AND they still claim they did not nerf it, change it, or anything and to report it as a bug about the change.

Basically the boss should still follow it's mechanics when enraged, meaning the rot should still come out.

The fight is not hard at all.. I actually seen more pug groups die from the lazer and missing the silence then the rot anyway.

I always say, slow the dps down and learn the mechanics. Usually my groups get to him with 6 or 7 clicks left.. So most pugs are push dps, more dps, die fast.. but this method is not good.. look at pharos dungeon, the first boss... if you do too much damage to the boss too quickly, too many dogs spawn and you get too many of the exploding debuffs and die. Slow the dps down and do the mechanics.

I hear so often, "This fight is a dps check, if your dps is too low you won't survive" Garuda EX mode, I was told that if she teleports twice in the first phase, you don't have the dps to beat it... really? Show me a group of ilvl 68 people who are going to do enough dps to get her down before the 2nd teleport, heck I've seen ilvl 80 average group not be able too. SE put more mechanics fights in and you need to do the mechanics to win, not dps burn. Titan hard mode has a dps check part, and that is the heart phase, but other than that one spot, I see no other dps checks. It's do the mechanics and you won't have to do a dps check, or healer check, or tank check