Titan Extreme is NOT Fun

[Maye]

I don't feel like casual players or hardcore players are getting specifically catered to, but rather there are some issues with this.

a.) Anything a casual player can access, a hardcore player can access as well.
I think is pretty straight forward and obvious. By definition, hardcore players simply have more content available to them.

b.) If it's too easy, it's probably not fun.
This is where things get difficult to gauge. Content for a hardcore player is only difficult while it is in progression. Once a hardcore player has completed the content multiple times and is just doing it for loot, it loses some of its charm(at least in my opinion). Assuming a hardcore player completes all of the content in a given patch - the hardcore player is ALWAYS left with no remaining content. Honestly I haven't done a single daily quest for the beastman tribes because I'm not too interested in the rewards, and I don't expect to be challenged.

c.) If it's too hard, it's probably not fun.
This is pretty true as well, or else this thread wouldn't even exist. For a casual player who can't complete all the content, there is always more content to be cleared. However, the player might not enjoy forcing themselves to clear it due to its difficulty. For this reason, often old "progression content" gets toned down with every patch to allow more players to clear it.

Note : Difficulty can stem from a number of places. Whether it be reaction time, gear, finding a proper group, learning an encounter, etc etc etc....

However, this creates a bit of a cycle where... a small amount of content is added for the hardcore players and a small amount of old "hand me down" content gets passed on to the casual player. I don't think the average casual player will be terribly excited to down Extreme Titan when he gets nerfed in 6 months. Already, most hardcore player can clear all the content without much issue.

In all honesty I feel like both sides of the fence are hurt for content, not because SE is favoring casuals or favoring hardcore players, but just because FFXIV is a new MMO.

Personally I derive my enjoyment from the people I talk to and play with in the game.

[HumsterMKX]

Congratz Helin, I heard you finally cleared it last night from <name removed because he say why I put his name in>.

Last night was in BcoB then off to bed. Should have ditched the BcoB and done Titan with you.

TitanX is seriously screwed up fight. You really need a grp of well polish peeps and low server load.

We tried from 9pm till al most 1.30am. Only after most JP have logged off, some latency issues gone and x3brd stacking. (-_-... feel like crap even with a win.

1) It is a meaningless fight
2) I perform better as SCH then my main MNK
3) I finally came to terms I am not as fast as I used to. And I totally suckz now.

[HumsterMKX]

some contents are not really meant to be fun. they're meant to be challenging. i mean come on. how many people hated titan HM? how did it feel when u finally kicked his ass?

Actually I would like to compare IfritX in 1.0 vs TitanX/HM

After defeating IfritX in 1.0 I felt totally great. All the weeks of latency issues, animation lock came to an end and I got my Relic. The small grp of us left in the game, we all wipe toegther, rage toegther and finally cleared the hardest content other then DarnusX.

For Titan HM and now X, it felt like a chore. Like stamping paperwork on hours end. After I beat it, first reaction is more towards ".....finally got this pos fight over.."

There is no relief, no simles, just rage and disgust.

[Doo]

some contents are not really meant to be fun. they're meant to be challenging. i mean come on. how many people hated titan HM? how did it feel when u finally kicked his ass?

Df titan for a week and tell me how fun it is

[Hitome]

Randomize Titan EX's rotation then it'd be fun.

Yesssssss.

Df titan for a week and tell me how fun it is

I've been DFing Titan HM since November. It's incredibly fun to carry people through it on a healer. All you need is one competent DPS.

I actually do a lot of Titan HM through PF. Very satisfying helping people.

[SoulKhan]

all xmodes suck imo not fun at all, I don't have the time to spend wiping over df groups for weeks on end, SE needs to make the game were this is content that the player can get and enjoy and not just instance based player ego's

No groups for xmode or hards = no play
No one doing fates = no fates since 2.1
the game is too dependent on others as it should be to a point but not all content.
I like puzzles and stuff but god not all the content has to be a huge puzzle that 7 others have to be on your skill lvl or its a fail over and over and over...

Before you flame me over party finder, I spent 4 hours making groups nada, I search for groups they require lvl 85 min..
The way these are designed make it very hard for a player friendly game imo

[HumsterMKX]

all xmodes suck imo not fun at all, I don't have the time to spend wiping over df groups for weeks on end, SE needs to make the game were this is content that the player can get and enjoy and not just instance based player ego's

No groups for xmode or hards = no play
No one doing fates = no fates since 2.1
the game is too dependent on others as it should be to a point but not all content.

Actually, dependent on others is a good thing in mmos. The problem is they over did it.

If TitanX ring size is the same as HM and the bomb radius is the same as HM, that would be great.

In before, "icandoitthereforeyousuckandgoplayothergamebecauseihavealongerepeen" peeps.

[SoulKhan]

yeah I guess your right its just tough to actually get exp groups all the time and I am starting a job soon so I wont have but maybe 2 hours per day to play and I can not spend that all on wiping, That would be no fun at all and im getting old too I mean it sucks

[Doo]

Yesssssss.



I've been DFing Titan HM since November. It's incredibly fun to carry people through it on a healer. All you need is one competent DPS.

I actually do a lot of Titan HM through PF. Very satisfying helping people.

Most groups I have df'ed with have trouble surviving to the heart phase and even when they make it they can't burn it down. Once in awhile we get to phase 5 and like half the party or more dies right off the bat. I can keep the tank alive till Titan rocks me though. Maybe it's different now than back then but I doubt it. Player finder is a bit different because you can set your own criteria and often players are doing it for other jobs that need relics. Not truly a group of randoms from my experience.

[gadenp]

Actually, dependent on others is a good thing in mmos. The problem is they over did it.

If TitanX ring size is the same as HM and the bomb radius is the same as HM, that would be great.

In before, "icandoitthereforeyousuckandgoplayothergamebecauseihavealongerepeen" peeps.

Yea, totally agreed. +1