So.. who's leveling a SCH?

[hamsteak]

SCH was already the go-to healer for current end game content even before the changes. High crit possibilities on tank, enmity danger, dips checks and high movement favour SCH mechanics. Ie for coil it was mostly advanced protect, virus rotation and medica II for after fireballs to get back to other tasks ASAP that made a WHM important To only mention one fight. Virus rotations are not possible any more either and favors the Lower CD Version of the SCH.

In high end content it's more important to heal fast and medica II was solely used for its strong regen effect which is gone now. It's actually slightly weaker than Eos' aoe now ( granted on no cd but needs mp and stil generates aggro and uses up our CDs).

Cure III is still stupid but they now force us to use it.

Lustrate changes gives you a 70% heal every minute while WHM has a 100% heal every 5 minutes (and no added fairy to increase heal throughput)

Not to mention the fairy changes made the fairy much better and frees a SCH to have more time to deal with her/his own tools.

And just to mention this: I've played both WHM and SCH in coil so I am not just guessing. And with go-to I mean more important due to mechanics and how encounters work.

okay.. a couple things,

medica 2 has an upfront heal (which still heals more than succor lol) in addition to the aoe regen which is better than eos' heal because...

eos doesn't have the same mind as the caster, her 100 potency is less than your 100 potency, it is also on a 1 minute cooldown and only lasts for 21 seconds compared to the 30 seconds the new medica 2 will last,

you don't need a fairy to add to your healing because all of your heals besides cure have a higher potency than scholar heals, and you get extra mind from traits that a scholar doesn't have

your aoe healing will still be needed... what am i going to do? spam succor until everyone is back to full on twintania

maybe instead of complaining about your cure 3 buff you should adapt to it instead of using medica 2 as a crutch

[Kyomih]

We can't adapt to something that is super situational. Except foe fireballs and Titan or Garuda there are very few situations where a party is huddled together to actually warrant a cure 3 even with the increase in range. Except the fireball mechanic everything else in boss encounters forces you to spread out or even if you stay together ( ie plumes) you have to spread out afterwards. And adding a rng mp effect to something that's already situational is making it an unreliable tool. Also I will adjust because I have to but that doesn't mean the balance between SCH and WHM Has been shifted even more. Now I have to cast two spells med 2 and cure 3 maybe or medica which leaves the SCH with more pressure before I can use other tools after fireballs. Just using this mechanic as an example.

And medica 2 will get 50 potency. That is my point!

I don't want a fairy but again it makes SCH more valuable because while a WHM and a SCH have to move out of aoe and a WHM can't heal except for benediction a SCH has both fairy heals and lustrate which also gets buffed.

And again: SCH mechanics are much more valuable due to how mechanics currently work and how encounters are designed.
Preventing a tank to get one shot compared to trying to heal a dead tank..

[Bellybell]

it WAS 100 potency, ham, will be 50 soon. also Eos can Rouse and Fey Illu, while WHM only has Divine Seals
30 seconds is useless, half of it will just went down the drain because we NEED to top party HP up since first 5-15 second

and yup, only part WHM will be need is the fight where you need to stacking up to eat CureIII, super niche fight

these are just my current opinion tho
need to see how it played out with next coil WHM run and i thinks i'll try dual SCH coil run for another week

[hamsteak]

We can't adapt to something that is super situational. Except foe fireballs and Titan or Garuda there are very few situations where a party is huddled together to actually warrant a cure 3 even with the increase in range. Except the fireball mechanic everything else in boss encounters forces you to spread out or even if you stay together ( ie plumes) you have to spread out afterwards. And adding a rng mp effect to something that's already situational is making it an unreliable tool. Also I will adjust because I have to but that doesn't mean the balance between SCH and WHM. Has been shifted even more.

where else in coil do you need aoe healing besides twintania? medica 2 will be even better for turn 2 since it will last longer and heal through the constant aoe without overhealing and cure 3 will be even better for twintania

the new extreme mode titan has an even smaller platform so cure 3 will shine there, i'm sure it will shine in extreme mode garuda as well since the party will be close together while dodging tornadoes

the rng affect from cure 2 is strange this is true, but i would just be glad your heals even have trait support, the changes in 2.1 aren't nearly as extreme as some white mages are trying to make out ( i still stand by the idea that the virus nerf is the biggest change to healers)

[hamsteak]

it WAS 100 potency, ham, will be 50 soon. also Eos can Rouse and Fey Illu, while WHM only has Divine Seals
30 seconds is useless, half of it will just went down the drain because we NEED to top party HP up since first 5-15 second

and yup, only part WHM will be need is the fight where you need to stacking up to eat CureIII, super niche fight

these are just my current opinion tho
need to see how it played out with next coil WHM run and i thinks i'll try dual SCH coil run for another week

i know it will be 50 potency, my point is that even with the "nerf" it will still outheal eos' whispering dawn on an equally geared scholar not only because of the up front heal but because it ticks longer

at any rate none of the changes to white mage or scholar will be particularly noticeable (except for the fairy fix), whereas the virus and RoD changes will be

[KahnMeido]

Because Cure3 got buffed?

Oh well...

It's not really a buff when you never cast the spell to begin with. It's not really a buff when 95% of the time it would be viable to cast the reduction isn't there. It's not really a buff when 6 yalms is still too small to effectively hit anything other than your main target.

[KahnMeido]

i know it will be 50 potency, my point is that even with the "nerf" it will still outheal eos' whispering dawn on an equally geared scholar not only because of the up front heal but because it ticks longer

at any rate none of the changes to white mage or scholar will be particularly noticeable (except for the fairy fix), whereas the virus and RoD changes will be

um forgive me but being able to heal x amount in 15 seconds as opposed to being able to heal x amount in 30 secondes is pretty huge as you have to wait an extra 15 seconds to recast or waste half of your hot healing for on demand healing so yea....its a nerf to aoe healing ability. even with divine seal a fairy's regen will be on par when combined with rouse and illumination...fact.../thread

by reading you other posts you clearly have no clue how a Whm plays.
You also seem to think a system where utility is innate is equal to one based around RNG. Mindboggling but...can I have whatever it is that you're smoking?

[YuiSasaki]

Do you find it strange that people don't want to be left out of runs?:/ Not saying now WHM is useless and nobody will want it around anymore, but if SCH can do the same and better...I'd sure prefer being that.

I find it strange that people leave others out just because they play a different class (e.g. WHM/SCH). Especially considering that they synergize each other quite well. Ofc, there might be some encounters where 2x WHM or 2xSCH would become handy, but why should i always pick the easy way?

On a side note: Eos gets the stats of the one summoning, in other words if the SCH has 200 MND - Eos/Selene will have that too.

[TunaTime]

My whm was fine. I had fun with it even though in the back of my mind I felt that sch healing was good ......... I love my whm, but I think its gonna happen. I'm finally going to go sch.

Lol get over yourself! Because of a some ajustments you whine.

That small increase in Lustrates healing won't really change anything. The "nerf" to Virus is going to change things even more! Whispering Dawn isn't that good. Eos uses it everytime the CD resets to good luck timing it! The pet managing (stopping it from casting it, placing Eos perfectly so most party members get's it) combied with timing the CD perfectly for a certain boss skill is almost impossible.

I'm quite sure all those WHMs will manage the adjustments to Medica II same as they and all the BLMs, SMNs and SCHs will adjust to the Virus changes.

[Kuroyasha]

I was already leveling a sch at the same time as a whm. I liked the sch shield effects graphically and the look of the fairy (yep had nothing to do with the actual effects of actions lol) and i liked whm holy on speedruns. It's fun as a sch doing dots and what not even without cleric stance b/c of the higher int you have. It's fun rotating cleric on whm and doing dots and stone 2.

I dont see why so many are QQing over the changes and like "omg sch is the only way to go now". So medica 2 heals less on the onset for the regen. So what? pop it and do a medica or an extra medica. Or pop it after divine seal for extra heals a little earlier than you normally would so you can do your other healing on top. Or pop it after divine seal and presence of mind in a tight spot that u know will be coming up so you can do significantly quicker medicas if need be and/or just heal the tank faster. Still has the initial 200 cure potency. (continued b/c of char limit)