So.. who's leveling a SCH?

[hamsteak]

um forgive me but being able to heal x amount in 15 seconds as opposed to being able to heal x amount in 30 secondes is pretty huge as you have to wait an extra 15 seconds to recast or waste half of your hot healing for on demand healing so yea....its a nerf to aoe healing ability. even with divine seal a fairy's regen will be on par when combined with rouse and illumination...fact.../thread

by reading you other posts you clearly have no clue how a Whm plays.
You also seem to think a system where utility is innate is equal to one based around RNG. Mindboggling but...can I have whatever it is that you're smoking?

or (and this is crazy!) you can cast cure 3 and heal those targets to full/near full since as i've already stated

"where else in coil do you need aoe healing besides twintania? medica 2 will be even better for turn 2 since it will last longer and heal through the constant aoe without overhealing and cure 3 will be even better for twintania"

your scholar should be using succor and sacred soil when it's up to offset fireball damage

edit: these whine threads are giving me a massive headache so i won't be responding; in the only content that matters there's only 1 fight where burst aoe healing is needed and cure 3 is miles ahead of medica 2 there, if you can't see that then i don't know what to tell you

[Eriane]

i know it will be 50 potency, my point is that even with the "nerf" it will still outheal eos' whispering dawn on an equally geared scholar not only because of the up front heal but because it ticks longer

at any rate none of the changes to white mage or scholar will be particularly noticeable (except for the fairy fix), whereas the virus and RoD changes will be

Whispering dawn will tick for 21 secs, even if you say it is less potent how does it not out heal medica 2 after factoring in rouse which adds 40%. Tested it today and rouse/whispering dawn ticks for more than my divine seal/medica 2 ticks for. Even with the initial heal the fairy aoe is very strong, free and succor should be considered, since more than likely the sch will succor at the same time they pop the aoe heal for maximum effect.

[KahnMeido]

Whispering dawn will tick for 21 secs, even if you say it is less potent how does it not out heal medica 2 after factoring in rouse which adds 40%. Tested it today and rouse/whispering dawn ticks for more than my divine seal/medica 2 ticks for. Even with the initial heal the fairy aoe is very strong, free and succor should be considered, since more than likely the sch will succor at the same time they pop the aoe heal for maximum effect.

pretty much this, and the lustrate buff is pretty large...even if you dont think its large an extra 2-300 hp from lustrate on a war per se is pretty big

[TunaTime]

My whm was fine. I had fun with it even though in the back of my mind I felt that sch healing was good ......... I love my whm, but I think its gonna happen. I'm finally going to go sch.

Lol get over yourself! Because of a some ajustments you whine.

That small increase in Lustrates healing won't really change anything. The "nerf" to Virus is going to change things even more! Whispering Dawn isn't that good. Eos uses it everytime the CD resets to good luck timing it! The pet managing (stopping it from casting it, placing Eos perfectly so most party members get's it) combied with timing the CD perfectly for a certain boss skill is almost impossible.

I'm quite sure all those WHMs will manage the adjustments to Medica II same as they and all the BLMs, SMNs and SCHs will adjust to the Virus changes.

[KahnMeido]

Lol get over yourself! Because of a some ajustments you whine.

well you seem to have missed the area of adjustments where actually timing EoS abilities will be possible. The medica 2 change is pretty big regardless of what your tiny brain perceives to be "impactful". 5% of lustrate isn't just a flat amount it's a % based heal so the better the gear the larger the increase. Virus will effect tanking and healing as a whole. where you used to have x viruses to use now you get 1 per minute. An effective increase in damage and the amount needed to heal it. But hey i only play the job; it's not like I'm completely oblivious and commenting from a job that has relatively no clue.

[Kuroyasha]

I was already leveling a sch at the same time as a whm. I liked the sch shield effects graphically and the look of the fairy (yep had nothing to do with the actual effects of actions lol) and i liked whm holy on speedruns. It's fun as a sch doing dots and what not even without cleric stance b/c of the higher int you have. It's fun rotating cleric on whm and doing dots and stone 2.

I dont see why so many are QQing over the changes and like "omg sch is the only way to go now". So medica 2 heals less on the onset for the regen. So what? pop it and do a medica or an extra medica. Or pop it after divine seal for extra heals a little earlier than you normally would so you can do your other healing on top. Or pop it after divine seal and presence of mind in a tight spot that u know will be coming up so you can do significantly quicker medicas if need be and/or just heal the tank faster. Still has the initial 200 cure potency. (continued b/c of char limit)

[Velox]

So medica 2 heals less on the onset for the regen. So what? pop it and do a medica or an extra medica.

And therein lies the problem. WHM have no efficient way to recover MP. Any change in mechanics that require using MORE skills only hurts the class more and more. The worse part of these job nerfs (both direct and indirect through the cross-class nerfs) are not really the nerfs themselves, but that they did nothing to change SoS to compensate. SoS should either have scaling MP regeneration, or be on a shorter cooldown.

[Kuroyasha]

And therein lies the problem. WHM have no efficient way to recover MP. Any change in mechanics that require using MORE skills only hurts the class more and more. The worse part of these job nerfs (both direct and indirect through the cross-class nerfs) are not really the nerfs themselves, but that they did nothing to change SoS to compensate. SoS should either have scaling MP regeneration, or be on a shorter cooldown.

True. If there's a situation where we absolutely HAVE to pop multiple medicas right after a medica 2, may be a problem w/o out a bard. But then that makes Bard more useful as a dps/support class ( i know people be like "bard is dps there are no support blah blah, but if it's job abilities focus on helping others then im calling it dps/support lol )

[Kuroyasha]

Whm still has plenty of tools at their disposal. Still get freecures, still got better protect/stoneskin, still got very useful job abilities. Shields and fairy combined with any medica and relatively frequent divine sealed heals will still be great. It'll be okay lol

p.s. and that's not even mentioning that lb will fill slower if use the same class in a party(if youre overgeared for a fight then obviously that part wont matter).

Just my honest opinion on the 2 healers.

[Nofacekiller]

If they are going to encroach on our AOE healing niche (which is really situational due to only a small number of fights needing strong AOE heals), then they need to buff our single target healing a bit.

We need an emergency off the GCD skill to save tanks that IS NOT on a 5 minute CD, that doesn't cause us to spend any more mana.

How to do it? Rework Stoneskin.


New Stoneskin:

-Instant Cast

-Off the GCD

-20s CD

-places a debuff preventing the target from receiving another stoneskin for 20s (prevents WHM stacking)

-costs no mana

-All these changes are tied to the Graniteskin Trait that WHMs exclusively get

If you really think about it, this will fix a lot of the problems WHM has. SCH can still handle prebuffing the raid with their stoneskin.