Why does no one complain about Summoners?

[Squa]

Here is the problem with the AI. You put your pet to obey, it will only use 1 of its 4 skills, Wind Blade.
A good summoner will cast Bio/bio2/miasma/thunder and manually press contagion afterwards to prolong all 4 dots (use raging strikes before hand if available). Now, you pressed contagion on your pet, and now he is screwed up and will cast contagion on cooldown (not on command). So you press obey again afterwards, bit if there is an AOE need, your pet won't cast its 2nd aoe skill. So, you manually cast your pet aoe skill, and now your pet casts contagion automatically which can screw up your rotations with dots. To be honest, after playing WOW, one thing they did right was the pet system and pet management. I can't believe it even took SE 1 month to move summons skills off the GCD, which should have been done before the game's release, but they need to make pets actually intuitive like having each ability having an autocast toggle.

[Squa]

Finally, about SMN DPS, lets look it over
Bio: 40x18(6) = 240
Bio2: 35x30(10) = 350
Miasma: 20 + 35x24(8) = 300
Lightning: 30 + 35x18(6) = 240
1130 total potency. With perfect contagion, lets give that a 33% increase in damage
1500

so far, so good, as these spells have fairly strong combined potency. The average length is 22.5 seconds, and lets say Contagion is used perfect every 60 seconds adding 13s/2 = 7 seconds generous (since it won't be applied with full dot uptime, and is not always available). So, average dot time of 29.5 (call it 30) seconds in 4 GCD's so that leaves you 20 seconds of "filler" time in a rotation, or 8 ruins (80 potency).

so, in 12 GCD's, you have
4 GCD, dots with contagion = 1500
8 GCD's Ruisn 8x80 = 640
2140/12
= 178 potency per spell average with perfect cooldown

this ignores Fester, lets add in 3 fester per minute, 1.5 per 30 seconds and its off GCD, so
2140 + 450 / 12
= 215 potency
adding in perfect pet, say 900 pot

= 290 potency per GCD,

[Squa]

which is pretty respectable for single target I admit! this is very best case scenario though


Lets compare to BLM
Fire 270 pot with UF
Fire III 396 pot (can be instacast free proc)
Thunder III 60 + 35x24(8) = 340 pot (can be instacast free proc average once per 30 seconds)

so lets say a BLM rotation
Thunder III 340
Fire III 220
Firex5 270 each
(2 free Fire III 296)
Blizzard III 154

so in 10 rotations, we have
2064/10 = 206 potency

so it appears that SMN does better single target than BLM.

[Madoka]

character limit

Garuda doesn't jump off Obey when you manually pres Contagion or aerial slash and you don't want her using anything but wind blade on her own, it slows down her dps otherwise. Titan I always leave on Sic and Ifrit isn't worth using so I don't know if they jump off obey. I know fairies do but Garuda does not.

Also there's no way a pet could know when you want to use contagion or aerial slash. I'd never leave it down to the AI.

[Benaire]

our DoTs hit for about the same as a BLM's spells except for one significant difference: Clipping

IIRC, an astral fire 3 buffed fire 1 hits for 240 potency, a Bio 1 hits for 240 total potency over 18 seconds.

therefore, fire 1 and bio 1 hit for the same amount of damage per cast.

I would like to add that you failed to add the +30% heal and harm damage to bio all smn attacks have a +30% perma bonus to damage

[Viridiana]

I would like to add that you failed to add the +30% heal and harm damage to bio all smn attacks have a +30% perma bonus to damage

BLM has the same trait, so it's no difference.

[Madoka]

I would like to add that you failed to add the +30% heal and harm damage to bio all smn attacks have a +30% perma bonus to damage

Damage is damage, potency is potency.

[NeonC]

Nerf summoner! (Have they forgot about the Bards yet???)

[Ryel]

Garuda doesn't jump off Obey when you manually pres Contagion or aerial slash and you don't want her using anything but wind blade on her own, it slows down her dps otherwise. Titan I always leave on Sic and Ifrit isn't worth using so I don't know if they jump off obey. I know fairies do but Garuda does not.

Also there's no way a pet could know when you want to use contagion or aerial slash. I'd never leave it down to the AI.

Would be nice if Contagion was actually a SMN ability and not tied to Garuda, its pretty much being used that way anyway and would give more cause to use Ifrit on occasion

[PSxpert2011]

Summoners CONSISTENTLY out damage every other class ... Yet bards are the ones that get all the hate?

SMN hate thread, are we trolling SMNs? Jealous much?