Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[RyuujinZERO]

The defense here is hilarious.

Bard's have a far simpler job than any other DPS.

I'd like to remind you that your lodestone profile can be viewed by all. Given you're never actually played an archer, let alone a bard it's probably not wise to spout off baseless opinions. I for one, coming from having played monk and dragoon first, was rather surprised to find bard no less complex than playing a healer or tank - and more challenging than dragoon.

Easy to play, but not so easy to play to it's fullest

[knite23]

The thing I don't get is why do BLM/SMN have bard cross skills.... there's only 1 useful out of 3 which is unfair compared to the usefulness of the current bard.
Even if bards get the Arcanist cross skills they still gain 2-3 useful raid abilities.

This will pretty much entirely replace summoners in the party because even after the nerf, bards will have their spot in every party again. And if they would make our battle-revive a cross-skill, there's no reason to use a SMN since you got BLMs.

But they are still complaining ._____.;

I want SE to make a good rebalance to make EVERY class useful but not 1 class ALWAYS useful like the bard currently is and probably stay.

well smn and blm are full on dd jobs which both do more damage than bard in endgame they have archer for the decrease in hate ability because there supposed to be able to pull hate they have good big burst which brd also has thus the nerf on brd and only really smn can actually play a big supporting role like brd and all jobs have not so usefull cross class abilities its not unfair its balanced i do see ppl take blm over smn because of the burst but a good smn will get picked up without much of a problem ppl prefer blm but i play smn blm and i havent had any issues doing any content ppl want a smn some times and some ppl want a blm edited i forgot Raging strikes which gives u 20% more damage dealt so its hard to argue why blm and smn get archer

[DoctorMog]

While I am a main BRD, and I hate to change things, I think invigorate is the best choice to lose.

It would give me reason to use Paeon.

Now reduce the damage debuff to 10% instead of 20% on paeon and ballad and I'll call it even.

[knite23]

While I am a main BRD, and I hate to change things, I think invigorate is the best choice to lose.

It would give me reason to use Paeon.

Now reduce the damage debuff to 10% instead of 20% on paeon and ballad and I'll call it even.

oh come on doc why inv it really only helps us spam aoe more doesnt really give us damage i like aoe pew pew with blm :_(

[Solitear]

oh come on doc why inv it really only helps us spam aoe more doesnt really give us damage i like aoe pew pew with blm :_(

Even if they nerfed that i'd still want a bard for ballad in speed runs, only time i take different class it be smn or another blm for giggles >_>.

[Steeled]

Oh look, someone who hasn't even touched archer telling others that bard is easy.

You can't counter my argument so you counter my experience. Lovely. I haven't touched blm (well, it's 26), monk, or dragoon either but I have friends that love all 4 jobs (no diehard summoners either) and the cumulative picture is clear.

Every job has things to balance and rotate, and I never said bard was different here. People try to say Titan is the only fight where Bard has the advantage but that isn't true. Reds (any bad aoe/landslide/plumes) can happen to anyone at any time in a lot of fights. Some, like Titan, are hypercritical. You have a more hp than your ranged friends, and have to do a lot less dodging than the melees.

And sorry, don't overhype the difficulty of your job (or most jobs). Bard is played well by some of the dumbest people I have ever met in this game. I'm not calling bards dumb, I'm just not calling them hard. They do have good utility they can contribute, and gosh I love the ones that do, like silencing, mitigating damage, great kiting, but a lot of classes do. You can also play most classes herpyderp style.

Now go back to my armory, or read my forum posts and say "Oh, this is coming from a pld main", yep, it's coming from a pld main. A class I love, but I wish it was more complex too.

your rite sir only whm.... it clearly says whm/sch and the point hes tying to make is because brds buffs arnt as strong as whm buffs which i repeat clearly says whm/sch they would never be a reason to use them which is clearly false and understood by anyone who played brd in 1.0 and even now ive been in plenty of parties without any whm the point is supporting is supporting its not about who cast the better buff its about making sure the buffs are up and the healers arnt wasting there mana or time to cast the buff thus the TERM support not only that our support job was to raise anyone who was dead buff them and heal if a healer went down so yes i took the advice and read it but my point is very clear thanks and this is wat i was editing my post with along with that whm are the only ones who can to a better protect and ss but since u had to jump to correct me before i could finish editing it u get my full response lol thanks for the correction though

and this guy doesnt even have archer to 50 where do we keep getting these ppl from

whatsamatter? people didn't agree with you the first time you posted exactly the same thing, so you had to hop on the armory troll bandwagon?

I'd like to remind you that your lodestone profile can be viewed by all. Given you're never actually played an archer, let alone a bard it's probably not wise to spout off baseless opinions. I for one, coming from having played monk and dragoon first, was rather surprised to find bard no less complex than playing a healer or tank - and more challenging than dragoon.

Easy to play, but not so easy to play to it's fullest

Oh gosh, I retract everything I said. Oh wait, I don't. Another person who can't counter my argument so chooses to attack my experience.

Full disclosure, I thought I had played archer to 10, but must have been a last beta character. Does that get me brownie points?

[AntonyB]

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You call Bard easy but you play Paladin main? I mean you literally need to do nothing at all on Paladin except stand there and get hit and I mean literally nothing at all. Ifrit? Stand still get your ass kicked or be a stun hoe. Garuda? Bit more work, not exactly hard. Titan? Literally nothing at all. Turn 1? MT you stand there and do nothing at all the entire fight, OT you need to shield lob and position then do nothing. Turn 2? Stand there and get hit and provoke every few stacks off the other tank. Turn 3? Lolturn. 4, the same move into position and do absolutely nothing cept flash and pop a cd every now and again. MTing 2 dreads can be a hoe tho tbh.

Where as when I play Bard in Titan, we gotta dodge plumes, dodge slides, dodge bombs, put up Rain of Death, put up manthra and DPS as hard as I can too while you do... Nothing? Another, on turn 2 for example, we do the W formation so I need to pick up rot off 1 White Mage and then pass it to the other, while putting Rain of Death on occasionally, while doing silence rotation or being backup silence, while DPSing at the same time, while keeping an eye on the WHMs and SCHs MP so I can put ballad up for them. Yet you say BRD is easy and you play a PLD? Get out of here. Don't get me wrong, Bard ain't exactly rocket science to play but neither is any of the other classes in the game to be honest.

tldr - Guy calls Bard easy but plays main Paladin the easiest most brain dead class in the game.

Edit: Also before you come at me about what I play and check my profile - I have all classes 50 and all fully geared and relic'd(cept DL on mnk/drg) so I actually have a clue what I'm talking about when I talk about other classes then my main.

[knite23]

whatsamatter? people didn't agree with you the first time you posted exactly the same thing, so you had to hop on the armory troll bandwagon?



Oh gosh, I retract everything I said. Oh wait, I don't. Another person who can't counter my argument so chooses to attack my experience.

Full disclosure, I thought I had played archer to 10, but must have been a last beta character. Does that get me brownie points?

u have no argument its not even a job u play lol so your just rambling off wat u think and heard from someone else cause u dont have any exp playing the job and yes you not playing a class/job aka being experience in the class/job plays a big role in u not understanding wat the actual exp bards are talking about and knowing what is consider easy or not i know whats easier to play i have all of them 50 lol and geared but thats to much common sense lets make it simpler have u ever heard of a fast food cashier telling a mail man how to do there job right nooooooo exactly!!! everyones point............ troll somewhere else and im guessing since all u had as a response to what i said is oh jump on the bandwagon and not one counter objection to what i said or why wat i said inaccurate im 100% sure you actually know little to nothing about bard which clearly shows in your comments Rjain and anthonyB have made very clear points u dont even have brd leveled u play paladin and sorry sir ppl dont agree with you or your opinion cause it makes no sense cause u dont even play the job and to the ppl that do u sound stupid go troll somewhere else #OFFICIALLY ROASTED by karma knite

[Steeled]

<3 Thank you for taking the bait.

I also didn't realize tanks could do just nothing but stand there in the red. I'm gonna start eating those slipstreams too cuz some bard online says I can.

I love paladin in principle. I love the universal lore, but I said I wish paladin was more complex. It should be.

[AntonyB]

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Oh so that's what it's like to be owned and have no come back for it cause I just tore you a new 1, ok. Like I said, Garuda was slightly harder, but I mean common it's not exactly hard to run through her when she casts on you, is it? Paladin in FFXIV is bad and boring and has nothing at all to do. FFXI on the other hand is where the real PLD used to be, to play that and actually be good at it was a totally different story.

"<3 Thank you for taking the bait." Lol'd so hard, you just got served that's all.