Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[ThanMazus]

Monk buuuuuuffffff mmmmm yeeeesss lemme task your brds tears

Edit : yea I'm maining a monk and know we DPS well but am for the buff cause brd as it stands alienates most other DPS for certain runs.

I hope you remember this post should the nerf bat ever come for your class.

[dascorp]

this game is becoming more and more retarded.... in 1.0 you could equip any cross class abilities.... but you had to unlock some of them first by doing quests... and 2.0 limited on what abilities you can equip on jobs.... which made everybody pretty much equip the same abilities... which doesnt make any sense... with the game-breaking armory system.... maybe subjobs should come back? or right.... this isnt ffxi

brd could cure... aoe stoneskin... and i had that ability that expanded the range of songs... i would use that song... to make sure people got my songs... even if they were far away.... and yes it did work...

[OPneedNerfs]

Funny how all the people gloating about this change don't realize there'll simply be more competition for your classes cause there's the armory system.

This also means Bards who do continue playing will be highly sought after since there will be alot less players willing to play em.

In short, end of the day, if you want to do any endgame content, you'd either need to:
a) be really good at your class, top tier so that you will be picked out of all the other people who decided to re-roll from bards.
b) have a group of friends who enjoy playing classes that you don't
c) become a bard yourself because you don't qualify for either of the above.

Remember people, bards will still be sought after for their utility. Nothing will change. Even if bards did 100 less dps than the other DPS classes now, they'd still be brought to end game content simply due to the current end game content's mechanics.

This change only hurts the process of people even wanting to start playing a bard. Imagine going through a 4 man instance with a gimped DPS with a group of sub-par geared people. It's not going to make things easier for anyone. Heck, if anything, it's gonna make things harder for everyone else BUT the bard player.

[MartaDemireux]

If they drop our DPS via cross class abilities they should at least allow our elemental attacks to work with Foe Requiem as compensation.

I personally see them removing LNC from our cross class abilities altogether and replacing it with ACN. Invigorate sustains our AoE damage which they might think is OP. Blood for Blood is VERY powerful which they might think is OP.

The reason I think ACN is because Eye for an Eye, Virus, Physick and Resurrection are all very support-oriented abilities and they want BRD to be more support focused than DPS. They did already give BRD a healer limit break afterall. That said, they should really add in a "support" role to go along with DPS/Tank/Heal ones.

[Naunet]

That said, they should really add in a "support" role to go along with DPS/Tank/Heal ones.

For this, they really need to increase party size to at least 5, which I really wish they'd do anyway. >_< Four is so small.

[knite23]

For this, they really need to increase party size to at least 5, which I really wish they'd do anyway. >_< Four is so small.

and not really 4 is fine 1 dd 1 healer 1 tank 1 support (which i agree 5 would be better) but really the problem is the game doesnt support a real support job meaning the game isnt really hard enough or technical enough that u neeeeeeeeeeeeeed to have a support job if the ak boss had a debuff that drain mana or tp every 30 secs bards would need to use there mp/tp song and if he had a ability that one shot the tank if u didnt have stone skin or eye for eye up bards would need to have stone skin up or eye for eye so the tank wont die and the healer wouldnt need to waste mana on it cause the mp drain and the song can only do so much and if he did a aoe that would actually one shot u which means if the whm fucks up and gets hit and dies we can cast a suky ass heal to barely win the fight or raise that healer cause hes down before the tanks cds where off and he dies these are examples of mechanics that would make a support job valuable in 2.0 like it was in 1.0 these are mechanics that was left out in 2.0 because they nerfed everything and doesnt want any one class to be needed to do any content i understand ppl dont want hard content and its fucked up to need a certain job to do content but u need tanks u need healers u need dd and u should need support which should be bard or (just theory crafting here but they could make smn a support job also but ppl would nerd rage) all in all there needs to be more technical fight these battles need more depth imo

[knite23]

to many ppl in here trying to be mr right and make points and only have 1 job leveled or dont even play brd and never even played 1.0 so u dont even know what supporting is on bard once u guys played every job and u see how bards support and how valuable supporting is u will understand but until then its beating a dead horse bards need to be more supporty we have our damage mitigation, we have our mp management, we have our increase healing aoe buff, we have our tp management, and we can increase element damage and we also have A HEAL/RAISE LB...... we need to be able to raise in battle again we need our sucky as heal again we need to be able to buff the party again and most of all we need harder battles so bard supporting role can truely be noticed and shine

[MartaDemireux]

to many ppl...

That's why I suggested they're changing it to 30ARC/15PGL+ACN. ACN's Resurrection in battle isn't tied to a trait, Virus will lower incoming damage and parry/block values should enemies get them (at least good in PvP), Eye for an Eye will also lower incoming damage, Physick to toss a crappy heal, 5% HP Cured buff to party from PGL. Would be entirely support focused as far as cross class is concerned but could drop one of them (Physick) for Inernal Release if you need/want more DPS.

So I've read the thread but I still haven't figured out the answer to this question. What exactly are they changing about BRD?

They're changing what cross class abilities can be set by BRD.

For this, they really need to increase party size to at least 5, which I really wish they'd do anyway. >_< Four is so small.

They could still get by with 4, the loss of DPS will be sad but we'll still be able to deal respectable damage, just lower burst damage. I agree though that I would prefer 5 so there are 2 people to use the DPS LB instead of just 1 (or sometimes 0 when you get 2 BRDs currently, ugh).

[LemmingKingXXX]

They're changing what cross class abilities can be set by BRD.

I see, in what way exactly?

[MartaDemireux]

I see, in what way exactly?

No specifics have been mentioned yet. I speculate removing LNC and replacing it with ACN but again its just speculation. They have said they wish to lower BRD DPS though, my guess to facilitate Ranger coming as a second job that gets the burst DPS back.