Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[Fantasy9]

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

The Problem they have is that it takes up a DPS slot that can be filled by a DPS class that does more dmg which is all of them, even my SMN does more dmg than my BRD does. Also, they problably feel that unless the group needs Mage's Ballad BRD isn't viable job to take with them unless they have no other choice.

[PArcher]

Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

My experiences?

Tanks and SCH don't care, WHM only like them for Ballad, all the other DPS (melee especially) compete with them and are often pushed aside for them. Unless you're in a static group, being a melee or SMN it can be hard to find a group to do anything because BRD are seen as godly DPS and have Ballad (BLM too, outside of WP speed runs, which then its all "LF BRD + BLM for WP SR"). I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Yes, I'm lucky to have people to run dungeons with now, and have WHM up (and soon WAR), but my time shouting was not fun. And there are tons of people out there that rely on PUGs to run dungeons.

No, I don't hate BRD just for being BRD, I mean, you really do need 1 for most 8-mans, but except for Turn 2 (for Silence) 2 BRD just isn't necessary; I'd rather have 2 melee (DRG), a BRD, and a SMN/BLM...heck, that's our 'normal' static (BLM/SMN depending on who wants to heal). However, I do dislike FoTM BRD who blame everyone else for their nerfs. Kinda like how I dislike a lot of PAL because they don't want to share tanking with WAR.

[Yoruichi4478]

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

Plain old envy that we don't have to face a certain direction to do our thing, or can dps on the move which btw we've been able to do since alpha. Perhaps they suck so much they can't handle our job so they want us destroyed? Aww poor babies. Although I do agree, mnk is more directional based than I remember in 1.0. But really, I don't want to one day log in and see we are now cookie cutter with the other classes.

[Mergadeth]

Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

Nah! I'll admit I am prone to initial overreaction. You got me there. Who knows, it might be great. It might open up more possibilities and utility. Not planning on re rolling as my inner intelligent person realizes this is a living game and will evolve and change overtime. So my advice to myself and every other bard....if they change something about your abilities and you still like the game, how about finding a way to do the best at what you have. Make your job awesome! Own your abilities and view it as just another challenege to overcome. If a woman with no hands can function with her feets as if she had hands and raise two kids....then WE bards can adapt to some class tweaks.

With that said, I still don't see the need for a change. Can't say for sure as we don't even know what it is yet. Here's to hoping it won't be noticable and BRDs can still be viable DPS.

[Fantasy9]

For heaven's sake i pray they do not make it CNJ instead of LNC or PGL because then it will be 1.0 all over again....
In 1.0 I was forced to level BLM because BRDs were the black sheep of dps BECAUSE they were seen as support/off healer just because they could equip healing spells. But what you need to realize is, BRDs do not have the MP to spare for off healing since our songs suck the life out of our mp as it is. Either the crybabies want our songs or they want support, they can't have both unless SE changes the songs from mp consuption to timed like 1.23. Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

[Resultsmayvary]

Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

A Dragoon on a dummy for sure, but a Bards mobility and ability to do damage in any situation overcompensated for the discrepancy. Dragoons also have a 27 press rotation so their DPS is a bit more earned, not to mention that melee should have some incentive for their increased difficulty and rigid requirements.

And the people who say that one class is OP are the people who want all classes to be viable. If one class is clearly superior to all others it crushes balance.

[Leon_Stormrage]

A Dragoon on a dummy for sure, but a Bards mobility and ability to do damage in any situation overcompensated for the discrepancy. Dragoons also have a 27 press rotation so their DPS is a bit more earned, not to mention that melee should have some incentive for their increased difficulty and rigid requirements.

And the people who say that one class is OP are the people who want all classes to be viable. If one class is clearly superior to all others it crushes balance.

I always run coil with a dragoon for the great damage that he have. Always parse more than 260 obviously he KNOW HOW TO USE THE CLASS.

[Yoruichi4478]

For heaven's sake i pray they do not make it CNJ instead of LNC or PGL because then it will be 1.0 all over again....
In 1.0 I was forced to level BLM because BRDs were the black sheep of dps BECAUSE they were seen as support/off healer just because they could equip healing spells. But what you need to realize is, BRDs do not have the MP to spare for off healing since our songs suck the life out of our mp as it is. Either the crybabies want our songs or they want support, they can't have both unless SE changes the songs from mp consuption to timed like 1.23. Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

Those who tend to suck at something tend to complain about how unfair it is.

[NightWrath]

What i ready in the translate, bard is not going to be nerf a lot as ppl are saying, and i could see in his face that he didn't approve the nerf on bard, while he as saying that bard are useful for any content and that's what would change, he is probably going to lose some dmg, or suport skill. (he affirmed that silence wouldn't be)

Don't think they will take invigorate out, since bard need it to keep rain of death, and to use aoe, taking invigorate out and they can take all the 3 aoe skill too because they will never be used.


Now there is one thing bothering me, is that i read this phrase there right after he finish talking about DRG, "increase in 10% close range damage" and start talking about the ranges, so i couldn't understand if he wanted to say that dragon would give 10% more dps, and the translate was wrong, or this is an incentive for ranges to fight close to boss and had to evade more mechanics.

[Zumi]

Don't think they will take invigorate out, since bard need it to keep rain of death, and to use aoe, taking invigorate out and they can take all the 3 aoe skill too because they will never be used.

Brd already has a TP regen ability Peaon. You would have to use that more when you aoe instead of never using it like you do now, if they took away lnc skills.