Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[Rjain]

You can't counter my argument so you counter my experience.

Actually, I countered your argument immediately after that sentence. You can't come off saying bard is simple when you haven't experienced it. They literally have the most stuff to do and look out for out of all the jobs and roles in the game during things like Coil and Titan.

Edit: Hell that sums it up to begin with. You don't even have an argument when you don't have experience lol.

[Steeled]

Oh gee, oh gosh, I'm just so speechless.

It's not that hard to figure out what a boon no positional requirements and the ability to keep doing your job while moving is in a game where moving immediately matters.

[Rjain]

Oh gee, oh gosh, I'm just so speechless.

It's not that hard to figure out what a boon no positional requirements and the ability to keep doing your job while moving is in a game where moving immediately matters.

It has virtually nothing to do with that. I don't care if they nerf bard's damage, just not take away one of its key abilities (invigorate) to reduce the whole purpose of what the class is about to begin with (supportive abilities like Rain of Death).

Using Paeon to make up for it doesn't make it any better either, since there are more useful songs like Foe Requiem and Ballad which go up at key points so you can't waste MP just to keep your own TP up. That makes bard completely useless and just turns it into a broken DPS class and not a support.

This is assuming they're even getting rid of invigorate.

Jumping into a discussion with something as asinine as "the defense here is hilarious bard is easy" just screams inexperience.

[knite23]

hes just a troll ignore him

[Phai]

Remove Lancer sub class for brd is a damage nerf, no doubt. Making them use TP song, mana song more is 20% less damage during this period, witch will be longer if we are forced to use tp song more and Balance it toward needed mp songs (coil if/when needed).
The point most ppl made about bard was how they could move and still dps, i see that point, tho even this, we have low dps compared to other classes past titan in general.
Yes we have songs to help other classes, we have ranged silence, we are moblile (while low dps in coil) and there is a spot for 1 bard in coil grp due to this.

But honest guys, how low u want brd's dps to go, and do u realy think destroying / nerfing its damage will change anything? i dont think grp's will remove 1 brd in coil due to this.
I personaly am afraid SE will destroy Brd to reduce the amount of player's playing this class, to Balance it out, not to a real class Balance toward other classes. (hope im wrong)
Finaly, when another ranged class comes out, ranger/gun class or whatever, u will have trouble finding anyone to keep u toothpick fairy's, and tai chi masters whit tp song and making sure ur healer have mana to heal u, couse u still cant move out of crap.
the nerf is pointless, end of storry.

[RogueVamp13]

After reading all the post people have put up I don't believe I saw anyone mention the fact the BRD is the only class that has 5 buffs, more than the other classes. If they take away BfB, you still have 4 buffs to your loadout, still more than any other class out there. My mains are both a Mnk and a Brd so I see both sides of the argument but Brd will still have a good amount of Dps if they only take BfB away. We as Brd just need to adapt and we will be fine.

I'm not sure what it is like on the other servers but I'm tired of seeing "Lf brd + blm only for WPSR". It's a small change in my opinion that won't make a real difference if you are a good player and for those that suck at their class will have to learn how to play and not be carried anymore.

[Majidah]

While I am a main BRD, and I hate to change things, I think invigorate is the best choice to lose.

It would give me reason to use Paeon.

Now reduce the damage debuff to 10% instead of 20% on paeon and ballad and I'll call it even.

I'm 99% sure paeon does not affect the singer.
Anyhow, invigorate isn't getting dropped. B4B is. SE said they disliked you can skip phases due to bard's spike damage. B4B is having 2 raging strikes which you can also stack.
All buffs up barrage does 1k dmg per auto attack.

[NeonC]

They definitely have to many buffs, that is one thing I can agree on. Cracking all the CD's and watching barrage triple crit...damn!!

[Phai]

l2p

So the amount of buffs brd have, compensate for the total dps brd have in end game (coil)? And u use one instance, WPSR as a legit reason to lower a classes damage output in the endgame content?
Yeh we need to adapt, we need to lower Our dps further more and make the best of it. It will change nothing beside amount of players playing brd. Whats needed is to Balance classes utility wise, so grp's have more freedom on what classes to take to coil.
And to be honest, if they remove BfB u think WPSR's will change as they are now? hmm yeh right... give other classes more to bring to the table, brd damage nerf will not change anything and it is pointless.
Dont tell People to learn how to play if u even cant see the real issue in this game..

[Majidah]

They definitely have to many buffs, that is one thing I can agree on. Cracking all the CD's and watching barrage triple crit...damn!!

Keep in mind our attacks don't combo and river of blood is based on rng.