(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[T0rin]

As it is right now 90% of the time the pet dies you(me) don't notice it until you try and fire off enkindle or the other two generic abilities, a complete failure of a summoner class imho. At this point i wouldn't mind if they just gutted summons and made them fire and forget abilities like the versions from FF3-FF9 were.

I'd venture to say that if you aren't noticing that your pet is dead 90% of the time when it dies, you aren't paying nearly enough attention and/or not playing the class well. I notice when my pet dies immediately. I'm constantly micro-managing the pet cooldowns and AI modes in order to make sure it is available to do what I want, when I want.

It is like saying you wouldn't notice if Bio 2, Miasma and Bio went missing from your toolbars. Of course you would. (should)

Blows my mind how people could not notice their pet is missing.

[pandabearcat]

Uh... what? You're confusing cause and effect here. If you get stunned the game makes sure you damn well notice it because you can't do ANYTHING. If your pet dies, you only notice if you specifically look for it. And you're looking for it because it is 25% of your damage, and not that you notice it because your damage lowers by 25%.

Like what Torin said, I think they key here is going into a fight knowing my pet is important to me.

If you went into a fight thinking you are just a DoT class, that your pet is a peripheral, sure you wouldn't notice if she died.

But she is my strongest "DoT" by far, and thus I pay attention that she is "up" if you will.

Again, this complaint has been brought up many times in this thread (I used to think this way as well, until I crunched the numbers). People say they want the pet to do more stuff, well, what is the pet going to do?

What if, whenever you cast your DoTs, instead its the pet that casts the DoTs? Is that actually a difference in playstyle?

When confronted with whether the pet is useful or not, I would say the pet is more useful than almost any pet in any other game (with the exception of BM hunters, for obvious reasons, but that is an example of player skills being moved to the pet just for the sake of being on the pet instead of the player).

And pet damage is significant, pet placement is key on many fights, and contagion and enkindle are certainly useful parts of your repertoire, that change the way you play.

[Akiza]

The problem with the Summoner job is that instead of returning the job to its roots using Black Magic with basic white magic abilities and the ability to summon pets and primals they separated the dots from the Black Mage and gave it to the Arcanist.
They need to add Black Magic abilities up to Flare reduce the cd for enkindle to 150sec double it's attack power and add an ability to Summon the primal based on what egi is out with a 300 sec cd. We control the Primal for 30 sec when the timer is up it does it's signature attack and returns to the egi form.

[Kevee]

So a person in my FC confirmed my suspicions.


Pets don't get benefit from food.


I knew pets didn't get benefits from INT pots if you summoned them during the buff, but we've been trying to figure out the accuracy cap for pets.

442 is ~99-99.5% accuracy for pets(on turn 5). This is my personal accuracy and test.

Person in FC was at 423. Pet parsed around 90% accuracy. They used Stuffed Cabbage and sat at 444 accuracy.

Then they summoned the pet.

It still missed the same % as before. It still had ~90% accuracy.

So it seems pets do not get any food buffs, even if you summon them afterwards.


So while trying to test how much accuracy is needed, we found this unfortunate bug.

At least, I hope it's a bug.


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[Camate]

Greetings,

I just wanted to let you know a bit about "Bane" and that we are planning to make adjustments to the action help text.

“Bane” can spread to up to three enemies. We balanced it in this way due to the fact that the action from the Garuda egi extends effect durations to the point where you can maintain close to a 30 second DoT, arcanists can utilize other magic, and pets deal their own damage.

Compared to black mage’s “Fire II,” it’s somewhat inferior as burst damage, but depending on the situation “Bane” can deal more damage, so consider that fact that different situations lend themselves to different jobs.

We apologize that the number of enemies “Bane” spreads to is not written clearly and we will be adjusting this in patch 2.1.

[pandabearcat]

Compared to black mage’s “Fire II,” it’s somewhat inferior as burst damage, but depending on the situation “Bane” can deal more damage, so consider that fact that different situations lend themselves to different jobs.

Summoners do 35 + 35 + 40 + 25*1.5 = 147.5 damage every 3 seconds with Bane.

Their only other AoE is Tri-Disaster, which is also does 30 damage every 3 seconds.

This is a total of 177.5 damage.

If you also Miasma II, you get 187.5.

BLM, using only Fire II, does 100 * ~1.8 = 180 damage each fire II, again every 3 seconds.

Please tell me how Bane only spreading to 3 targets is balanced, and which fight has Bane doing more damage than Fire II.

[Shamirah]

Summoners do 35 + 35 + 40 + 25*1.5 = 147.5 damage every 3 seconds with Bane.

Their only other AoE is Tri-Disaster, which is also does 30 damage every 3 seconds.

This is a total of 177.5 damage.

If you also Miasma II, you get 187.5.

BLM, using only Fire II, does 100 * ~1.8 = 180 damage each fire II, again every 3 seconds.

Please tell me how Bane only spreading to 3 targets is balanced, and which fight has Bane doing more damage than Fire II.

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

[pandabearcat]

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

That rotation was with shadowflare (notice the 25*1.5, since it seems to autocrit).

And SMNs actually run out of mana, period, as opposed to BLM.

With more and more targets SMN are more and more gimped in terms of AoE damage, as tri-disaster and miasmaII are completely laughable.

EDIT: also I didn't include in flare. For something ridiculous like 500 potency as the last attack.

I figure that balances having to use blizzard III once.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

And BLM has Flare, so...

[yumeyume]

Summoner class needs a better Limit Break.

(1) I don't know where I get the cane that do the Limit Break - The cane has nothing to do with summoner so far.

(2) It would be better if we can summon our pet to do a big Limit Break.