(Un)Official Arcanist/Summmoner Feedback Thread

[Camate]

Greetings,

I just wanted to let you know a bit about "Bane" and that we are planning to make adjustments to the action help text.

“Bane” can spread to up to three enemies. We balanced it in this way due to the fact that the action from the Garuda egi extends effect durations to the point where you can maintain close to a 30 second DoT, arcanists can utilize other magic, and pets deal their own damage.

Compared to black mage’s “Fire II,” it’s somewhat inferior as burst damage, but depending on the situation “Bane” can deal more damage, so consider that fact that different situations lend themselves to different jobs.

We apologize that the number of enemies “Bane” spreads to is not written clearly and we will be adjusting this in patch 2.1.

[pandabearcat]

Compared to black mage’s “Fire II,” it’s somewhat inferior as burst damage, but depending on the situation “Bane” can deal more damage, so consider that fact that different situations lend themselves to different jobs.

Summoners do 35 + 35 + 40 + 25*1.5 = 147.5 damage every 3 seconds with Bane.

Their only other AoE is Tri-Disaster, which is also does 30 damage every 3 seconds.

This is a total of 177.5 damage.

If you also Miasma II, you get 187.5.

BLM, using only Fire II, does 100 * ~1.8 = 180 damage each fire II, again every 3 seconds.

Please tell me how Bane only spreading to 3 targets is balanced, and which fight has Bane doing more damage than Fire II.

[Shamirah]

Summoners do 35 + 35 + 40 + 25*1.5 = 147.5 damage every 3 seconds with Bane.

Their only other AoE is Tri-Disaster, which is also does 30 damage every 3 seconds.

This is a total of 177.5 damage.

If you also Miasma II, you get 187.5.

BLM, using only Fire II, does 100 * ~1.8 = 180 damage each fire II, again every 3 seconds.

Please tell me how Bane only spreading to 3 targets is balanced, and which fight has Bane doing more damage than Fire II.

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

[pandabearcat]

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

That rotation was with shadowflare (notice the 25*1.5, since it seems to autocrit).

And SMNs actually run out of mana, period, as opposed to BLM.

With more and more targets SMN are more and more gimped in terms of AoE damage, as tri-disaster and miasmaII are completely laughable.

EDIT: also I didn't include in flare. For something ridiculous like 500 potency as the last attack.

I figure that balances having to use blizzard III once.

[AdvancedWind]

That rotation was with shadowflare (notice the 25*1.5, since it seems to autocrit).

And SMNs actually run out of mana, period, as opposed to BLM.

With more and more targets SMN are more and more gimped in terms of AoE damage, as tri-disaster and miasmaII are completely laughable.

EDIT: also I didn't include in flare. For something ridiculous like 500 potency as the last attack.

I figure that balances having to use blizzard III once.

And summoners have a pet dealing damage as well, not to mention all that damage you mentioned are DoTs that can keep going for 10+seconds before needing to reapply. So it's what you calculated for AoE damage + Single target focus of pet + other actions you can be using WHILE keeping that damage

VS

Fire II.

[pandabearcat]

And summoners have a pet dealing damage as well, not to mention all that damage you mentioned are DoTs that can keep going for 10+seconds before needing to reapply. So it's what you calculated for AoE damage + Single target focus of pet + other actions you can be using WHILE keeping that damage

VS

Fire II.

If you actually read the synopsis, you would understand I already took into consideration "everything we can do".

Its true that summoners are definitely the kings of cleave, aka 2-4 targets or so.

Pet damage is negilgible (90 potency every 3 seconds, on one mob, is less than 10 potency contribution in a huge aoe environment, the one we're talking about here), aside from a minute cd (does even compare to swiftcast flare) and enkindle (which again, does less damage than flare).

But for AoE, its an unnecessary restriction to bane.

Actually scratch that, I wouldn't mind bane being the way it is if it prioritizes unDotted enemies for spread, and the cooldown was reduced to 3-6 seconds or removed entirely.

Then it would be an actual choice whether its worth using multiple times on a big mobs of monsters vs fester for more damage cleave/single target.

Please actually read what I wrote before you debate it.

[Seiko769]

That rotation was with shadowflare (notice the 25*1.5, since it seems to autocrit).

And SMNs actually run out of mana, period, as opposed to BLM.

With more and more targets SMN are more and more gimped in terms of AoE damage, as tri-disaster and miasmaII are completely laughable.

EDIT: also I didn't include in flare. For something ridiculous like 500 potency as the last attack.

I figure that balances having to use blizzard III once.

I don't run out of MP o.o. Maybe im not maximizing my dps but if I do bio miasma bio 2 fester miasma 2 shadow flare repeat minus shadow flare and than use drain instead of fester I usually have enough time off my Aetherflow timer to top my MP off and if not I can do 2-3 drains in 1 rotation. There isn't to much reason to run outta mp on SMN or SCH

[Crescent_Dusk]

I don't run out of MP o.o. Maybe im not maximizing my dps but if I do bio miasma bio 2 fester miasma 2 shadow flare repeat minus shadow flare and than use drain instead of fester I usually have enough time off my Aetherflow timer to top my MP off and if not I can do 2-3 drains in 1 rotation. There isn't to much reason to run outta mp on SMN or SCH

If you're multidotting more than 3 targets consistently without Bane you will run out of mana without manasong. You may delay it with energy drain, which you sacrifice Fester for, but it will happen.

It's extremely important that groups with summoners in them have tanks that understand this limitation and work with the summoner to encounter it as little as possible.

[Zirael_Foxfire]

BLM has to regen his mana. Has to cast it everytime. And summoner has shadowflare too.

And btw, if bane had no limitations... it would be insanely OP.

And BLM has Flare, so...

[Dyvid]

Honestly I would rather see changes for Egi right now any way. They need more robust skill list that gives the Summoner options rather than just using Garuda. This is going to be even more painfully obvious when Shiva, Ramuh, and Leviathan hit the scene. Are we simple going to replace Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda with the new three?