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  1. #211
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    Xerich's Avatar
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    I love people expecting visuals on par with that CONCEPT shot up there. If you thought 1.0 needed a super computer to run......

    The UI in the game practically looks identical to the one in that shot, minus a few tweaks and improvements made for functionality.
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  2. #212
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    Gramul's Avatar
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    You wouldn't think that would matter. The game was so perfect in that state that it should have drawn players regardless of carrying over to the inferior version of the game.

    Tons of people played during the beta tests, and those weren't recorded either.
    No one said the game was perfect. And most of us still had no idea how ARR was going to exactly be.
    Why bother continuing to replay when the new version was coming out and nothing we did anymore would count for it?

    People played the beta tests because hey, shiny new game. But even towards the end of those I stopped bothering beyond basic bug reporting. I'm not saying ARR is bad, or even that 1.23 was perfect. I'm saying this was a wasted opportunity that resulted in an okay game.
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  3. #213
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    This image?
    Yeah, I WANT THIS game. Not what we have now.

    Or at least 1.x again.

    It's time to go back guys...
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    Last edited by misterrpg; 10-25-2013 at 12:35 AM.

  4. #214
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    Fensfield's Avatar
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    Forra Descren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirith View Post
    That question was absolutely impossible to understand without actually knowing what plans they had in place for the "changes". ...

    ...
    Agreed all through, basically..

    Just to quote myself (oh hey and Gramul, too!) in an earlier, similar discussion?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fensfield View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hawklaser View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    Still, would have prefered 1.0 get the chance to really become something special on its own. When I voted to drastically change the rules, I wasn't exactly expecting them to make a bolt for the obvious.
    Same with me, too bad I can't recall if there was a middle option for only drastic change where needed.
    There wasn't, it was a yes or no question. And that's basically why I voted 'No' for my part in the poll. No matter what, a Yes answer would come back to bite me on the proverbial arse somehow.

    11. Would you welcome changes to FINAL FANTASY XIV that would drastically alter the rules already set in Eorzea?

    Yes - 85.2%

    No - 14.8%
    (http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...98e4034b898102)

    Looking back, it was obvious they weren't looking for an instructive reply. They were asking at the height of the rage over the state of things at launch, in over-simplistic terms without properly defining what they meant. They weren't asking permission, they were engineering a positive answer they could wave at dissenters in the event the v2.0 project went wrong. 'Well at least we listened to our customers!' they'd have cried, had it crashed and burned.

    Now I'm not saying people would have voted against the rebuild had it been less manipulatively phrased and given more options, but seriously, looking back at the PR, the way they scapegoated Tanaka (yes he made some big screwups and all but they really went out of their way to play up his fault and keep attention away from Wada and co's role in things).. I can't see things any other way than they were betting everything on the answer being a majority yes. Thus the timing, the lack of details, and the lack of a middle ground option. Not that it wasn't an incredibly safe bet, of course.

    Yes I'm a mite bitter about Player Poll 01. Bite me >.>
    Quote Originally Posted by misterrpg View Post
    And if only. Sadly not only is it my understanding that recent changes to Final Fantasy XI have spoilt things rather decidedly (is there still a majority of the original to enjoy, there? How much longer, do you think? .. No really I'm trying to decide if I ought at least pick it up alongside >.>) ... I have always struggled with FFXI's character creation. I know it's shallow of me but when it's so limited that hair gets only two colours and its style is inextricably linked to which of the the three faces you choose..

    Were those limitations for the sake of the PS2? I mean good lord that thing was about the same spec as the Dreamcast and that console's Phantasy Star Online got wildly more complex chargen options than we have now.

    .. Gosh I wish they'd just give that game a few fundamental upgrades; even disconnecting hairstyle from face choice would go a long way. Weren't they talking about dropping PS2 support recently? I wonder what the chances are in light of everything's happened by now.
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    Last edited by Fensfield; 10-25-2013 at 02:46 AM.
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  5. #215
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    AFAIK, they dropped support for PS2 in all regions except Japan.

    I could totally see a remake, seriously, and when that day happens, I am jumping ship. Windows, PS4 remake. Awww man. That would be sweet.
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  6. #216
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    Molly Millions
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    Right, because mages should be able to wear plate armor.
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  7. #217
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    KiriA500's Avatar
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    Doctor Beatbox
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
    No one said the game was perfect. And most of us still had no idea how ARR was going to exactly be.
    Why bother continuing to replay when the new version was coming out and nothing we did anymore would count for it?

    People played the beta tests because hey, shiny new game. But even towards the end of those I stopped bothering beyond basic bug reporting. I'm not saying ARR is bad, or even that 1.23 was perfect. I'm saying this was a wasted opportunity that resulted in an okay game.
    One month into ARR and it's okay. Sure beats being a month into 1.0 and it being terrible.

    Let's all forget that things can change. 1.0 and 1.23 were drastically different games. Who knows what we'll see with 2.23.
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  8. #218
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    Forra Descren
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Molly_Millions View Post
    Right, because mages should be able to wear plate armor.
    Pff, yeah as if. It's not like one of the most important characters in the main story-

    OH WAIT.

    Seriously, Papalymo aside of course they should be able to.

    Should it be the least effective thing for their class or somehow disrupt their magic? Sure. Should it lead to an entirely different and equally enjoyable style of play to those who wear robes? Even better!

    I will never understand why some people find 'you grasped a wand and all your clothes fly off because wrong class' the more correct option than either penalising wearing something class-inappropriate or getting inventive with the effects of non-standard attire. That's akin to waking up one day to the real-world's universal constant suddenly dictating 'trousers should fly from your touch because as a girl you can only wear skirts or hotpants' and just.. accepting it.

    Replacing the optimal attire system with one of level and class locks instead of fixing the original launch's poor systems balancing was a concession to limited development resources, not some blow for sanity and order in a world gone mad.
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    Last edited by Fensfield; 10-25-2013 at 03:18 AM.
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  9. #219
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    Llen Coram
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    Thought of something to add today. I'm on the cliffs, fishing, and I hear a shout. Someone asking for a raise. I send him a /tell a few seconds later asking if he still needs it. He says yes, so I pack up, switch to Scholar, and go find him.

    Halfway across the map. I was at Brewer's Beacon, he was near the entrance to the Sahagin base, in western la Noscea. I ran halfway across the map to find him dead on the ground, surrounded by 8 or 9 players. Two of them were white mages.

    You're telling me not one of them could throw him a raise?

    This new community makes me furious sometimes. That's what I miss from 1.0. By the time 1.23 rolled around, the community was mostly fantastic. There were some bad eggs, and it wasn't a very big community, but damn it, most of us were nice. Most of us were courteous, or at least tried to be decent goddamned human being. It's depressing.
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  10. #220
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    Gramul's Avatar
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    Eisen Gramul
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    Quote Originally Posted by KiriA500 View Post
    One month into ARR and it's okay. Sure beats being a month into 1.0 and it being terrible.

    Let's all forget that things can change. 1.0 and 1.23 were drastically different games. Who knows what we'll see with 2.23.
    2.0's possibility of getting better is what I'm holding out on.
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