Quote Originally Posted by Rainsford View Post
Wow, how is WP taking you that long with a full +1 group? I'm a SCH (so, not optimal for WP) who runs pretty consistently with a +1 tank, and we have no problem doing 14 minute runs with /shout regular relic/DL/ak gear BRD/BLM who we have to explain the run to each time.
Actually the problem is that I run with a monk and a dragoon most of the time. The AOE damage isn't what it could be. We also lose time going for the chests (I hear the more thorough speedruns skip them entirely but I like the extra income they generate). I believe current record is like, 9 minutes? But either way, point being, the 8man dungeons aren't useless or really THAT suboptimal unless you have the uberest of groups.

Quote Originally Posted by Garnatian View Post
No, they aren't. Even with a bad group you can do WP in 25mins and with a good group you can do it in under 15 minutes, hell even under 10 minutes if you're geared like the Gods.

There is NO reason to ever run anything besides WP (unless you want to leech and spritbond).
Most people don't have access to super privileged mega groups +1 of cliqueness. Most people have to go with /shout groups. So, you know, in those cases, averages have told me it doesn't matter what you run, it's all pretty much the same thing.

You want to organize super groups for WP, you -can-, go ahead. But that doesn't make Prae/CM/AK worthless. Worthless to YOU maybe, and others with similar luck, but to newer players and such, each dungeon has its ups and downs.