8 mans pointless now

[Lunavi]

It was to move the speedrunners who forces players to skip cutscreens into AK instand to make story dungeons more enjoyable for the players running them for the story.

[Garnatian]

I said /shout group. Nowhere did I speak about gear. And I'm not going to go /shout LFM Prae NO RELICS OR I KICK YOU just to prove a point. Fact is if you shout LFM CM/Prae/AK/WP you're going to get a bunch of geared up 50's who want speedruns. But I guess if you shout for a non-relic group specifically, well, there's your problem.

Okay lets see.

Most people don't have access to super privileged mega groups +1 of cliqueness. Most people have to go with /shout groups. So, you know, in those cases, averages have told me it doesn't matter what you run, it's all pretty much the same thing.

Looks like a certain someone mentioned gear.

So you can't prove it? All right, please don't pull numbers out of your arse then.

You don't seem to understand that you can do WP in 15m with Relics and this is with a /shout group. Took me all of 5 minutes to get the group together, our first run EVER was sub-20m and the second was 15m.

I'm sorry, but outside spiritbond, 8-mans serve no purpose any more.

[Grailer]

Whaaaaaat. Wow your server must suck to be on. Prae and CM are 20-25 minutes, TOP, with a /shout group.

Takes me about 30+ mins for CM run using DF , had some guy running around in ghost outfit , suffice to say you can consider him a dead weight . But it's not too bad for starting out , definitely would suck to get entire set of armor running just CM .