The Monk Temple

[Rapiso]

Personally, I wouldn't go for the Melee Circlet over the Allagan Visor... sorry but, I don't see how +6 crit is better than +15 determination. As for the rest of your set, it looks good.

It's 21 crit vs 15 determination in my mind, and i think 21 crit is slightly better than 15 determination.

[Cynric]

15 determination would be outright increasing damage, the crit amount would only have crits happen a little bit more. IMO the determination is much better.

[Rapiso]

15 determination would be outright increasing damage, the crit amount would only have crits happen a little bit more. IMO the determination is much better.

http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=202

Use this tool, it's not 100% accurate but you can notice there is a 10-20% gain difference between 21 crit and 15 determination depenfing of your stats, even if you take into consideration Bootshine and the calculator's accuracy, I don't think determination can be better.

[Cynric]

Why would I use a tool if I know it isn't 100% accurate? o_o

Also yeah it really will depend on your other gear if the determination or crit is better. It also depends on your own personal luck when it comes to crit. Determination is better if you don't want to deal with an RNG type of stat. I don't think you'll lose much going for either one though. One gives you better odd chance to crit the other gives a bit more damage overall. It's just up to you whether you'd rather have an overall boost or rely on crit happening more often than not with the 21 boost.

[Rapiso]

Why would I use a tool if I know it isn't 100% accurate? o_o

Because if the gap in your result is higher than the error margin, then you can consider your results like acceptable.

Also yeah it really will depend on your other gear if the determination or crit is better. It also depends on your own personal luck when it comes to crit. Determination is better if you don't want to deal with an RNG type of stat. I don't think you'll lose much going for either one though. One gives you better odd chance to crit the other gives a bit more damage overall. It's just up to you whether you'd rather have an overall boost or rely on crit happening more often than not with the 21 boost.

And I 'm talking about the theorically bis setup for the turn5, not feelings.

[Cynric]

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If you add 21 crit and have bad luck and hardly get crits outside of bootshine you lose DPS to RNG. If you get with determination you don't deal with RNG. If you personally prefer an RNG value over a determinate static increase to damage for a BiS item. Then I think we're definitely going by feelings here as RNG is never the correct thing to rely on with anything other than your "feelings".

Also no. I wont use a tool that isn't 100% accurate. Because it does not give factual information. Knowing it doesn't give factual information regardless if 50% is accurate or isn't I can't accept any of the data from it at all. Either information is purely 100% accurate or it's useless to bring in to these kind of talks and say well, I don't know if its 100% right but its "kind of" right.

[THETRUESELF]

So, I got my Relic+1. I have full Darklight on all slots. What's my next step gear-wise?

Should I try getting on the craft gear i70 HQ (all parts)? Or should I try my luck in Coil for the drops?
Also, I have like 500 myth. Should I go for a part (for the time being until I get Coil drops? Or will I be totally fine with Craft/DL?) or saving up for my sub class, which is kinda AF2 heavy (Bard)?

I'd really appreciate if someone can give me some advice. I know you guys are discussing about this (kind of) right now... but I still have no idea what should I do next gear-wise.
I would also like to do some comparison for myself, but I've to admit, I don't even know which stat is the more important for a MNK. u-u

( I hope u got my problem. English isn't my first language. ) Thanks in advance!

[Allyrion]

If you add 21 crit and have bad luck and hardly get crits outside of bootshine you lose DPS to RNG. If you get with determination you don't deal with RNG. If you personally prefer an RNG value over a determinate static increase to damage for a BiS item. Then I think we're definitely going by feelings here as RNG is never the correct thing to rely on with anything other than your "feelings".

RNG is normalized once the duration is significant enough (any end-game fight). That's how probability works.
You can add a definite value to crit despite it being a chance-on-hit stat. For example, over the course of 10,000 hits with 30% crit, you will get a number very close to 3000. The deviation will be negligible and you will get what you paid for in getting to that crit %.

I don't know Rapiso's tool and I'm not sure I would put value in it to make such a comparison between the two stats. Maybe the margin error is low enough to warrant it, maybe it's not.
Crit is not really about luck though, unless you're talking about a specific window of combat.

[Subucnimorning]

So, I got my Relic+1. I have full Darklight on all slots. What's my next step gear-wise?

Should I try getting on the craft gear i70 HQ (all parts)? Or should I try my luck in Coil for the drops?
Also, I have like 500 myth. Should I go for a part (for the time being until I get Coil drops? Or will I be totally fine with Craft/DL?) or saving up for my sub class, which is kinda AF2 heavy (Bard)?

I'd really appreciate if someone can give me some advice. I know you guys are discussing about this (kind of) right now... but I still have no idea what should I do next gear-wise.
I would also like to do some comparison for myself, but I've to admit, I don't even know which stat is the more important for a MNK. u-u

( I hope u got my problem. English isn't my first language. ) Thanks in advance!

I don't know about others but we have so much Monk loot dropping in Coil, I would say wait for Coil drops for monk and work on gearing your secondary class.

[Rapiso]

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Luck does not mathematically exist, when you search the best optimization available, you do math. You need a damage formula, and you normalize crit on it to get your average damage. Because

That's how probability works.

If you got a better average damage with +21crit than +15dtr, it's mean the dtr monk will be more often behind the crit monk than ahead.

I rely on the work of a guy who seems to have a mathematics level well above average and who has found the most accurate damage's formula known to date.
http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=179
If you want something more accurate you can try to refine his work since he posted everything.

I think it's still better to rely on a 99% accurate formula than absolutely nothing or on a "dtr is better because of RNG", just no, it can't be so easy.

So, I got my Relic+1. I have full Darklight on all slots. What's my next step gear-wise?

Should I try getting on the craft gear i70 HQ (all parts)? Or should I try my luck in Coil for the drops?
Also, I have like 500 myth. Should I go for a part (for the time being until I get Coil drops? Or will I be totally fine with Craft/DL?) or saving up for my sub class, which is kinda AF2 heavy (Bard)?

I'd really appreciate if someone can give me some advice. I know you guys are discussing about this (kind of) right now... but I still have no idea what should I do next gear-wise.
I would also like to do some comparison for myself, but I've to admit, I don't even know which stat is the more important for a MNK. u-u

( I hope u got my problem. English isn't my first language. ) Thanks in advance!

I would sayit depends of your progression.
If you just started coil, you can loot legs, ring, and earings on the first turn.