The Monk Temple

[Perthaneus-Magnum]

Mind if I ask why you're pushing SS when it's the lowest in terms of returns per point? Crit/Det will give far more returns as far as DPS than SS would.

It's not the slowest when your goal is to add more skills to your rotation. By adding skill speed to 497 lets say, that's 1.99 sec at GL3 which is 6 moves including the main 3 that you can use SAFELY before having to restack GL. Prior to that, most of your rotations is 4-5 skills. The whole purpose is to hit faster than anyone else and crit for the most because we are using the most skills than anyone else in the fight.

[NoctisUmbra]

It's not the slowest when your goal is to add more skills to your rotation. By adding skill speed to 497 lets say, that's 1.99 sec at GL3 which is 6 moves including the main 3 that you can use SAFELY before having to restack GL. Prior to that, most of your rotations is 4-5 skills. The whole purpose is to hit faster than anyone else and crit for the most because we are using the most skills than anyone else in the fight.

And what skills pray tell would you be adding to the basic 3-skill rotation? Filling it up with Impulse Drives when not ToD/Fracture?

I suppose that's a decent way to turn MNK into an inefficient burst dps machine, or rather attempt to.

[NoctisUmbra]

SKILL SPEED, then CRIT RATE and then DET.....in that order. Accuracy will be just fine as the gear you choose will have it already. I would post the BiS for SPEED but XIVDB is acting up right now.

this will suffice for now though.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96YhajU7X4

lol... oh look it's that XIV-APP parse saying 300+ DPS. I pulled 300+ DPS on XIVAPP on the AK boss back when my only i90 gear was Sphairai +1. Didn't use Fracture either, for that matter. Never once focused my build on SS.

XIVAPP parses have been incredibly inaccurate, especially given the usage of DoT skills. Looking at the actual numbers you're putting out and their frequency, I can honestly say focusing on crit/det will yield better results. In fact, they actually do.

[KaosPrimeZero]

This^ Is there a BiS yet for MNK? I think a nice balance between SS and Crit would be the best way to go? DET is nice but should be lower down the pecking order?

[NoctisUmbra]

This^ Is there a BiS yet for MNK? I think a nice balance between SS and Crit would be the best way to go? DET is nice but should be lower down the pecking order?

SS easily sits at the bottom of the pecking order imo.

[Mishaela]

BiS on paper based on secondary stats like det/ss/crit is not something I'm really concerning myself with. I just did some spreadsheet math based on what dropped on my first few coil runs (3 Maiming accessories) and went from there to make a gear plan. The main thing is balancing ACC. This is why I chose the Melee Circlet over Allagan Visor, as this puts me at 476 ACC (and then eat omlettes for acc+crit when needed). Also, it turned out that getting the "DRG" accessories was better in the long run for me, anyway, I think.

Like, Allagan Baghnaks are nice, but you will have to make up that accuracy loss somehow, which you can do with Melee pants or body, but chances are you're going to already have your Sphairai+1 long before you get to turn 5, much less clear it. Using Baghnaks+Melee Gaskins, for example, nets you similar accuracy and a lot more DET with a loss of SS, this is probably a worthwhile tradeoff but SS isn't *bad* for monk so the difference will be minimal. And I don't know about you, but if I'm going to drop 800+ myth on something after upgrading my Sphairai to +1 already, it's probably going to be for an alt job I don't already have several allagan pieces for that I'm serious about playing.

Ultimate BiS is something I might have another look at once my group can beat turn 5, but I'm being a little more realistic and incremental-conscious in my selection, so here's the gear set I'm shooting for (currently 7/12 on this set, missing pants, belt, ring, boots, body):
Sphairai +1
Melee Circlet
Allagan Cuirass of Striking
Allagan Gauntlets of Striking
Allagan Tassets of Striking
Allagan Trousers of Striking
Allagan Sollerets of Striking
Allagan Choker of Maiming
Allagan Earrings of Maiming
Allagan Bracelets of Striking
Allagan Ring of Maiming
Allagan Ring of Striking

221 STR
176 VIT
135 ACC
163 Crit
98 SS
38 DET

[Riot55]

I have melee helm and sphirai +1. Gryphonskin chest/legs/boots/ring (fully melded with crit and some determination and a decent amount of skill speed), Allagan Earrings of Maiming (I guess this is the DRG earring but it'll do... is the Striking one better you think?), Darklight everything else, and now deciding on what to buy with tomes next. What do you think is the best upgrade and the one that can be more considered best in slot when considering damage and keeping accuracy up, Melee Chest or Melee Pants? Not sure which one to save for next....

[Reyki]

actually i have the head and boots af2 and 2 ring/ chest/legs/arm/belt hypogryph and DL for the other stuff and i have : Accuracy 485/
Critical Hit Rate 512/Determination 243/SS 506 ....

i m planing to buy AF2 necklace to earn more crit . with that i can tell that it's useless to get more SS , because it's not even noticiable, i ve already tried with 520 SS (with the SS DL necklace ) , in ur burst rotation , with even more SS u cannot deal more hits , u are like capped by ur GL3 and cannot make more than 3 skills (free , like ID) + 3 skills(refresh DL3)....so yeah SS is broken and not that usefull for now . with SS actually , i just feel that the building time of GL3 is more smoother but just a bit .

[aswedishtiger]

what are the caps for stats? I dont want to create a thread about it

figured I just ask here

[hyachona]

SKILL SPEED, then CRIT RATE and then DET.....in that order. Accuracy will be just fine as the gear you choose will have it already. I would post the BiS for SPEED but XIVDB is acting up right now.

this will suffice for now though.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B96YhajU7X4

Why ppl throw that vid around like its the gospel ill never know. I see more dps as crit main stat and SS last