Glowing weapons

[Rhianu]

There very much is a maturity level involved, by the demographic. We don't want Twilight. We make fun of Twilight. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but we're looking for a more mature MMO.

I would like to point out that like Harry Potter, Twilight is also popular among adults. Though unlike Harry Potter, Twilight tends to appeal more exclusively to women, and not so much to men. But regardless, you're wrong to say that Twilight only appeals to children.

WoW, EverQuest, and Aion do NOT qualify as the style of High Fantasy XIV represents.

• WoW is in the style of a comic book. (Brightly colored, heavily action based, two teams of "good" and "bad")

• EverQuest is in the style of a 90's fantasy novel. (Medieval fantasy with the lights turned up and fireworks everywhere, riddled with nostalgic fantasy tropes)

• Aion is in the style of a Manhwa. (Stylized realism, heavily action based, two teams of "good" and "bad)

• FFXIV is in the style of a classical fantasy novel. (classical themes, subtle use of magic in comparison with other series, deep in its own pantheon)

Doesn't make any of them any better or worse in terms of themes, just different tastes for different folks.
And mind you this is only a quick comparison. So it's not too refined.

Uh... WoW, EverQuest, and Aion are most definitely considered to be "high fantasy." To claim that they're not is absolutely asinine. Do you even know what the term "high fantasy" means? Cuz' I don't think you do. You claim WoW is not high fantasy because its art style looks similar to a comic book, but you fail to realize that most comic books also qualify as high fantasy.

And why did you even bring up good vs. evil? Is the fact that WoW has two opposing factions supposed to be some kind of evidence of something? I hate to break it to you, but the presence of opposing factions does NOT disqualify a work from being considered "high fantasy."

Your arguments against EQ and Aion are even more flawed and ridiculous.

[Gramul]

I would like to point out that like Harry Potter, Twilight is also popular among adults. Though unlike Harry Potter, Twilight tends to appeal more exclusively to women, and not so much to men. But regardless, you're wrong to say that Twilight only appeals to children.


Uh, yes they f*cking do. Do you know what the term "high fantasy" means? Cuz' I don't think you do. You claim WoW is not high fantasy because its art style looks similar to a comic book, but you fail to realize that most comic books qualify as high fantasy.

And why did you even bring up good vs. evil? Is the fact that WoW has two opposing factions supposed to be some kind of evidence of something? I hate to break it to you, but the presence of opposing factions does NOT disqualify a work from being considered "high fantasy."

Your arguments against EQ and Aion are even more flawed and ridiculous.

I claim WoW is not High Fantasy because its world and lore are not structured to fit it. The comparisons I made are simply to show the different styles the games have and why I personally feel glowing weapons don't mesh well with this particular games aesthetics.

Uh... there IS magic in this game. Are you forgetting that? SE doesn't have to use non-magical explanations for glowing effects.

I simply don;t feel that glowing on a weapon fits the style of the game. Nothing more than that. Perhaps temporary effects on the weapon brought on by magic, but the weapon itself need not be glowing on its own.

I'm sorry If I've made you angry.

[Physic]

High fantasy is defined as fantasy fiction set in an alternative, entirely fictional ("secondary") world, rather than the real, or "primary" world. The secondary world is usually internally consistent but its rules differ in some way(s) from those of the primary world. By contrast, low fantasy is characterized by being set in the primary, or "real" world, or a rational and familiar fictional world, with the inclusion of magical elements

ok thats a definition, yall decide whether it fits.

Regardless i think at the end of the day no one can justifiably argue that magical glowing weapons shouldnt exist in this game for logical reasons.
Aethetics is a different matter, but everyone will have varying opinions. Any well designed weapon/weapon effects will probably be enjoyed by most people. The key is in the execution. there may be a minority who will hate something because they dont like the idea of it, but most people will like anything that is well done.

So SE just do it well, and give me some pugilist weapons that create a slight aura and make my hands glow when in active combat. the end



I simply don;t feel that glowing on a weapon fits the style of the game. Nothing more than that. Perhaps temporary effects on the weapon brought on by magic, but the weapon itself need not be glowing on its own.

I'm sorry If I've made you angry.[/QUOTE]

[MistyMew]

a bit of glitter and glow imo would only add good to the game. it is visually stunning and some "fantasy" added to armor and weapons could only enhance my personal appreciation for the game.

nothing wrong with it in anyway in my eyes. to each his own. i respect those that dont like the idea as much as those that love it. no one opinion is right or wrong.

some adore the idea others will despise it. adding it in moderation may soothe the majority then.

ff14 is lacking the essence of what it means to me, the "Fantasy" factor is missing, in the terrain, the lore the characters appearance etc. this would be one small way to add some mystic look to it.

[Rhianu]

I claim WoW is not High Fantasy because its world and lore are not structured to fit it.

WTF? That doesn't even make sense! WoW is totally high fantasy. Its world and lore are not structured to fit it? What in the bloody hell does that even mean? Seriously, let go of your illogical bias and stop being such a fanboy.

Yes, WoW's art style is intended to look more "painterly" than FFXIV, but it's still freaking high fantasy. The term "high fantasy" makes no requirements whatsoever concerning art style or visual direction.

[Gramul]

WTF? That doesn't even make sense! WoW is totally high fantasy. Its world and lore are not structured to fit it? What in the bloody hell does that even mean? Seriously, let go of your illogical bias and stop being such a fanboy.

Yes, WoW's art style is intended to look more "painterly" than FFXIV, but it's still freaking high fantasy. The term "high fantasy" makes no requirements whatsoever concerning art style or visual direction.

How framiliar are you with fantasy subgenres? It's not a bad thing not to be high fantasy, it just means your politics, pantheon, and devices take a little more suspention of disbelief, and that's something Warcraft's style lends itself well to.

[Rhianu]

How framiliar are you with fantasy subgenres? It's not a bad thing not to be high fantasy, it just means your politics, pantheon, and devices take a little more suspention of disbelief, and that's something Warcraft's style lends itself well to.

Now you're just making up shit to twist the meaning of "high fantasy" to conform to your own delusional misconceptions. Sorry, but WoW IS high-fantasy. Trying to say that it's not only makes you look like an ignorant fanboy.

If you're trying to say that WoW is more "far-fetched" than FFXIV, well, that's wrong too, because WoW and FFXIV are both equally far-fetched.

[Gramul]

Now you're just making up shit to twist the meaning of "high fantasy" to conform to your own delusional misconceptions. Sorry, but WoW IS high-fantasy. Trying to say that it's not only makes you look like an ignorant fanboy.

If you're trying to say that WoW is more "far-fetched" than FFXIV, well, that's wrong too, because WoW and FFXIV are both equally far-fetched.

I really don't care what's high fantasy and what isn't; in the end, it's really not that important. I'm just trying to point out that XIV is stylisticly diffirent from WoW and in my opinion, does not lend itself well to glowing weapons. I am not the fanboy you think I am. I think WoW is a fine game, but it just has a diffirent style from this game. And they are clearly diffirent.

They have a diffirent style, a diffirent way of presenting and handling lore and characters. WoW is more like a Medival Fantasy or a Swords and Sorcery Fantasy (and that is NOT a bad thing at all). It's a more excited and energetic style of the Western RPGs they base it from (most spesifically the warhammer series). I am of the opinion that consitantly glowing magical weapons are better suited for games in the asthetic style of WoW.

I am only trying to show the diffirences between them, not claim one is better than onother, I just have diffirent taste.

[Rhianu]

I'm just trying to point out that XIV is stylisticly diffirent from WoW and in my opinion, does not lend itself well to glowing weapons.

Well obviously WoW and FFXIV have different artistic styles from one another. WoW is intended to look like a painting, which is a style that it actually captures very well, while FFXIV seems to be striving for hyper-realism as much as possible.

However, you are wrong to say that glowing things cannot fit in with a more realistic and lifelike art style. As I said several pages ago, a glow is nothing more than light, and there is no such thing as an art style in which light feels out of place or does not fit, not even a lifelike art style.

They have a diffirent style, a diffirent way of presenting and handling lore and characters. WoW is more like a Medival Fantasy or a Swords and Sorcery Fantasy (and that is NOT a bad thing at all). It's a more excited and energetic style of the Western RPGs they base it from (most spesifically the warhammer series). I am of the opinion that consitantly glowing magical weapons are better suited for games in the asthetic style of WoW.

Uh... FFXIV is a medieval fantasy with swords and sorcery just as much as WoW is. >_>

Besides, glowing weapons can fit into absolutely any style of fantasy game, regardless of setting or visual style. Saying that there is any such thing as any setting where glowing things don't fit is absurd. Hell, we already have the lantern shield, which looks awesome and totally fits in with FFXIV's art style, thus proving that glowing things can be perfectly at home in FFXIV.

Even FFXI had a shit-ton of glowing things all over the environments, not to mention all the summons and several bosses, too.