Glowing weapons

[Rhianu]

I claim WoW is not High Fantasy because its world and lore are not structured to fit it.

WTF? That doesn't even make sense! WoW is totally high fantasy. Its world and lore are not structured to fit it? What in the bloody hell does that even mean? Seriously, let go of your illogical bias and stop being such a fanboy.

Yes, WoW's art style is intended to look more "painterly" than FFXIV, but it's still freaking high fantasy. The term "high fantasy" makes no requirements whatsoever concerning art style or visual direction.

[Gramul]

WTF? That doesn't even make sense! WoW is totally high fantasy. Its world and lore are not structured to fit it? What in the bloody hell does that even mean? Seriously, let go of your illogical bias and stop being such a fanboy.

Yes, WoW's art style is intended to look more "painterly" than FFXIV, but it's still freaking high fantasy. The term "high fantasy" makes no requirements whatsoever concerning art style or visual direction.

How framiliar are you with fantasy subgenres? It's not a bad thing not to be high fantasy, it just means your politics, pantheon, and devices take a little more suspention of disbelief, and that's something Warcraft's style lends itself well to.

[Rhianu]

How framiliar are you with fantasy subgenres? It's not a bad thing not to be high fantasy, it just means your politics, pantheon, and devices take a little more suspention of disbelief, and that's something Warcraft's style lends itself well to.

Now you're just making up shit to twist the meaning of "high fantasy" to conform to your own delusional misconceptions. Sorry, but WoW IS high-fantasy. Trying to say that it's not only makes you look like an ignorant fanboy.

If you're trying to say that WoW is more "far-fetched" than FFXIV, well, that's wrong too, because WoW and FFXIV are both equally far-fetched.

[Gramul]

Now you're just making up shit to twist the meaning of "high fantasy" to conform to your own delusional misconceptions. Sorry, but WoW IS high-fantasy. Trying to say that it's not only makes you look like an ignorant fanboy.

If you're trying to say that WoW is more "far-fetched" than FFXIV, well, that's wrong too, because WoW and FFXIV are both equally far-fetched.

I really don't care what's high fantasy and what isn't; in the end, it's really not that important. I'm just trying to point out that XIV is stylisticly diffirent from WoW and in my opinion, does not lend itself well to glowing weapons. I am not the fanboy you think I am. I think WoW is a fine game, but it just has a diffirent style from this game. And they are clearly diffirent.

They have a diffirent style, a diffirent way of presenting and handling lore and characters. WoW is more like a Medival Fantasy or a Swords and Sorcery Fantasy (and that is NOT a bad thing at all). It's a more excited and energetic style of the Western RPGs they base it from (most spesifically the warhammer series). I am of the opinion that consitantly glowing magical weapons are better suited for games in the asthetic style of WoW.

I am only trying to show the diffirences between them, not claim one is better than onother, I just have diffirent taste.

[Rhianu]

I'm just trying to point out that XIV is stylisticly diffirent from WoW and in my opinion, does not lend itself well to glowing weapons.

Well obviously WoW and FFXIV have different artistic styles from one another. WoW is intended to look like a painting, which is a style that it actually captures very well, while FFXIV seems to be striving for hyper-realism as much as possible.

However, you are wrong to say that glowing things cannot fit in with a more realistic and lifelike art style. As I said several pages ago, a glow is nothing more than light, and there is no such thing as an art style in which light feels out of place or does not fit, not even a lifelike art style.

They have a diffirent style, a diffirent way of presenting and handling lore and characters. WoW is more like a Medival Fantasy or a Swords and Sorcery Fantasy (and that is NOT a bad thing at all). It's a more excited and energetic style of the Western RPGs they base it from (most spesifically the warhammer series). I am of the opinion that consitantly glowing magical weapons are better suited for games in the asthetic style of WoW.

Uh... FFXIV is a medieval fantasy with swords and sorcery just as much as WoW is. >_>

Besides, glowing weapons can fit into absolutely any style of fantasy game, regardless of setting or visual style. Saying that there is any such thing as any setting where glowing things don't fit is absurd. Hell, we already have the lantern shield, which looks awesome and totally fits in with FFXIV's art style, thus proving that glowing things can be perfectly at home in FFXIV.

Even FFXI had a shit-ton of glowing things all over the environments, not to mention all the summons and several bosses, too.

[Gramul]

However, you are wrong to say that glowing things cannot fit in with a more realistic and lifelike art style. As I said several pages ago, a glow is nothing more than light, and there is no such thing as an art style in which light feels out of place or does not fit, not even a lifelike art style.

It's just my opinion.
As such it can neither be right nor wrong.

I'm still not convinced you're familiar with fantasy sub-genres, but as I said earlier, it doesn't really matter in this case.
That aside, I thought you might like to learn more about them so here are some links:

http://www.cuebon.com/ewriters/Fsubgenres.html
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fantasy
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=318795990
(Note that the Wikipedia article is an older version of the page. I've linked it to make it easier because they decided to move all literary sub-genres to one page for whatever reason. Please enjoy.)

[Rhianu]

It's just my opinion.
As such it can neither be right nor wrong.

Maybe opinions can't be technically wrong, but they can certainly be biased, misinformed, and ignorant.

I'm still not convinced you're familiar with fantasy sub-genres, but as I said earlier, it doesn't really matter in this case.
That aside, I thought you might like to learn more about them so here are some links:

Genre is irrelevant, because what we're really talking about here is visual direction and artistic style, which is a totally different subject than genre.

EDIT: By the way, I looked through those links you provided, and not a single one of them said anything about glowing weapons, or that glowing things can only appear in certain genres. So good job on trying to shoehorn your own biased misconceptions into documents that really don't even mention your stance in the first place, let alone support it.

[Rhianu]

Is it really that important to you? Does the fact that I don't want glowing weapons in Final Fantasy Fourteen really bother you enough to make implied accusations about my views? That I'm somehow ignorant or misinformed about something as arbitrary as personal taste?

Why do you care? I just don't agree with you. It doesn't make me any better or worse than you are and I am surprised this conversation has gone on as long as it has.

Let's just agree to disagree and move on before we clog up this topic any more with our ranting.

I care because I want to see FFXIV grow and improve and become a better game, and one of the ways to accomplish that is by creating weapons and armor that have unique and interesting visual flair to them. And one of the most powerful visual effects in any artist's arsenal is light. If you take away that tool, and say that the artists can't use ever that tool under any circumstances no matter what, just because you have some irrational personal bias against the tool, what you're doing is crippling their creative freedom and limiting not only the potential of the artists, but the potential of the game itself.

No one is "scared of it", it looks painfully tacky seeing everyone running around like a lightshow. It's not cool, it's not epic in any way.

If it's on EVERY weapon in the entire freaking game, then yeah, it would lose a bit of its luster, since it would no longer be special. But as I pointed out earlier, even in WoW most of the equipment doesn't glow at all. Glowing effects are generally reserved for only a few weapons here and there, so that it remains special and unique.

By the way, a lot of you guys must really hate the Fourth of July. All those vibrant colors, bright bursting lights, and blazing fireworks must all look so tacky to you. </sarcasm>