Dungeon progress shouldn't be allowed while party members are watching cutscenes

[JamesX]

Right here is the flaw in your assumption. The majority has no intrinsic right simply because they are the majority. In fact, our entire nation's system of government is based around making certain that that is not necessarily a determining factor in any decision.

This is a model of thinking you should really reconsider.

Actually the Majority have the intrinsic right because they are the majority - e.g. more numbers, more bodies to throw in a fight, etc. The reason our government counters this is because it has an intrinsic advantage. If it does not then we wouldn't need to counter anything.

We go out of our way to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority for that simple reason. It is very easy to "throw your weight around" when you are bigger.

[Mega_Man_U]

Are you really suggesting SE is blameless in this? [...] The gross majority of the time players spend in CM will not be because of the story, so please accept that you're in an almost unfathomable minority here.

I never said SE were blameless, but I get your point: I'm a lesser player, nevermind the fact I bought the game and will pay the subscription just like everyone else. Gotcha.

I can run CM 3-4 times in the takes me to just get through the AK queue. Another 1-2 times if you include the actual AK run itself. We're talking 400-600 Tomes vs 80 from AK. Yeah, speed runs aren't going anywhere.

Then what is the problem with watching the cutscenes? With the amount of speedruns you're implying here, you'd be watching them maybe 1% of the time. After all, new players are, again "an almost unfathomable minority".

And if you lock people into cutscenes, what happens when someone gets pissed off at someone else (as they inevitably do), or DC's mid cutscene? You can't kick people for being dicks, so the CM comes to a complete stop because 1 guy doesn't skip dialogue (to be a jerk)? Or you have to wait 10min(I think?) to kick a DC'd player?

That's a genuine concern and I agree.

[Canopia]

Its not SE's fault for making the dungeons the way they are, its players trying to play them improperly thats the core of the problem. They make an 8 man dungeon that, if you skip the cut scenes, takes about 30 minutes. The game designers give you a 2 hour window to complete this. Yeah, you have 2 hours to complete a 30 min dungeon, and dont give me nonsense like there is an hour and a half of cut scenes in either of the last two. Ive played through them both and watched every single cut scene and still had a good 42 minutes left on the clock. If you want an MMO with cut scene free dungeons, you are obviously playing the wrong game. There are plenty out there that let you speed run with no effort at all, go play one of those.

This is Final Fantasy, story mode is the only mode.

TL;DR
Make your own groups or go find another game.

[Dorin]

I'm not sure why people who speed run don't make a pre-made party of like minded players who are all on-board to skip cut-scenes. Honestly it's a triple win for pre-mades as you can stack the group to more efficiently go through the dungeon, instant queue time, and no one wants to watch cut-scenes. I was able to clear CM 7 times last night with no attempt taking more than 20 minutes because we ran 1 healer 1 tank 6 dd. I guess there's also a fourth win here, as 2 more DD than normal got to run the dungeon.

It's what I've been doing these past 2 weeks, and 0 problems ever since. Everyone happy.

If you want to speedrun, sit your ass in Mor Dhona and start spamming "LFG Castrum speedrun" blah blah. You'll find a group very easily.

[Balaur]

It gets bad once you get to level 50. I did the final main story dungeon tonight and some overgeared (this guy had a bunch of raid-level gear) tank kept complaining and going ahead and my friend and I ended up completely missing the final boss fight of the main story because we were watching the lead up cutscene and he and his buddies weren't patient or polite enough to wait a couple minutes.

I had a similar experience to this, but only on the final boss in the Praetorium. This despite the "group" (by which I mean the main tank) agreed to let me and my leveling partner (one of the healers, mind you) watch the cutscenes. The thing is, whilst you can watch cutscenes in the book in the inn room, it is not the scene as watching them while you are doing the dungeon. Context matters, and that means the actions during CM and the Praetorium outside of cutscenes influence them. I got out of the cutscene only to find the boss was at 50% HP, with constant voiceovers and pop ups in the cutscene from the fight's progress; the healer came out at 25% HP, and thus had it worse.

Now, I got to deal with a far worse situation in CM, when the cutscenes occur at points where if the group ignores them, whole content can pass by. In CM, this means you can be in a scene, and suddenly you're alone. You have to "figure out" how to get where everyone else is, and this isn't all that easy when you're new. When groups have players new to the dungeon in them, there is a pop-up that indicates to everyone that "one or more players are new to this instance." Do the rushers even consider this, or say that "I ain't got time for cutscene trash; follow or GTFO"? I got this attitude in CM.

The alterations from the last fix aren't enough to help. Chests are ignored, trash is ignored, content is ignored. They just want an "easy" 100 tomestones. If the healers are involved in "holding things back," the tank doesn't care. He's elite, he's pro, he can solo half the content in CM by sneaking behind guards.

If there is one thing I think should be fixed about the dungeon is that guards should aggro you regardless. Make more chests spawn to make it lucrative to force groups to deal with it, otherwise then they'll skip the dungeon. And the elitist schmucks who rush regardless of players interacting with the story should be humiliated in some manner, some method that promotes better group player and interactivity.

[LoLo]

Or, you know, SE could have thought about not making 2 story-line dungeons the most practical way of farming the end game currency they ignorantly created.

Everyone who complains about this will turn around and do the same thing whn you realize how stupid the end-game currently is in regards to philosophy acquisition.

there is a non-story dungeon that drops both currency. Speed runners are a cancer that kills the games enjoyment. I hope all speed runners quit when Yoshi P prevents speed runs in the story dungeons because I'm positive he will do it because he did it to AK.

I hope you and others enjoy your last moments of speed running because it will end very soon and on that day I will find personal enjoyment and pleasure from knowing speed runners cant speed run anymore.

[Scerick]

there is a non-story dungeon that drops both currency. Speed runners are a cancer that kills the games enjoyment. I hope all speed runners quit when Yoshi P prevents speed runs in the story dungeons because I'm positive he will do it because he did it to AK.

I hope you and others enjoy your last moments of speed running because it will end very soon and on that day I will find personal enjoyment and pleasure from knowing speed runners cant speed run anymore.

1) The queue time for Amdapor Keep - even with a pre-made group - gets to be upwards of 30 minutes. CM is instant.
2) How does me speed running CM, with my own pre-made group, hurt your play time or play style? We're a cancer that kills the games enjoyment? Hyperbole much?
3) CM Speed runs still kill just about every npc in the dungeon. During AK speed runs we skipped the npc trash. It is not the same thing - it will not be changed. The notes specifically call out "skipping trash" as the issue. Not running a dungeon as fast as you can.
4) Who are you to tell me what is fun for me? I personally enjoy doing speed runs to see how quickly we can do it run over run. Like time trials. You know, the game mode that exists in hundreds of other games (World of Warcraft included).

[Dhalmel]

OP will be glad to know that you can watch any and all cutscenes at your enjoyment in your inn. That way you can make sure to always be caught up on the storyline regardless of if you skipped a cutscene or not!

It's not the same.

[LoLo]

blabber

Dont tell me, tell Yoshi when he prevents speed runs in later updates and I'm 100% positive speed running isn't what Yoshi had planned this game to be played enjoy your few moments of speeding.

[LoLo]

What is your source and or proof that using the Skip cut-scene option in CM is against the developers intended method of dungeon running?

Your posts are a joke.

Enjoy while you can if Yoshi stopped it in AK he will stop it in the others because most people went to the other dungeons because they didnt want to kill all the mobs in AK. Hurry up and do as much as you can to get those uber drops before it all goes away. I'll be grinning the day it happens lol.