We need more ways to make gold in this game.

[Furious]

People said Gathering/Crafting is useless in FFXIV.... oh wait.... how do i not run out of Gil then?

This is NOT CREATED GIL.

This is REAPPROPRIATED GIL.

Stop confusing the two. By selling the proceeds of mining, you are taking someone else's gil. You can go and use that gil to repair, but they no longer can. You can use that gil to pay AH fees, but they no longer can.

The problem being discussed is that after the initial once-only activities there is no way to CREATE enough NEW gil to sustain outgoing gil. At the moment the issue is a little bit hidden (though not entirely) because people still leveling need to buy stuff from people doing the "hard content". Eventually the former section will slow down, while the latter section gets larger.

Please, for the love of god, stop posting in this thread if you are talking about any means of getting gil from other PLAYERS - this has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

[Nero]

This is NOT CREATED GIL.

This is REAPPROPRIATED GIL.

You are aware of the Fact that certain Items are not even worth selling on the Markets, since people either dont buy/need them or you will get less than you would from a NPC? So selling stacks of certain Items to a NPC is please what? Exactly; generating Gil.

Stop confusing the two.

lol. I am not the one confusing something, i just obviously know more about how i can fill my pockets.

Please, for the love of god, stop posting in this thread if you are talking about any means of getting gil from other PLAYERS - this has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.

I am not even talking about getting gil from other Players, may you should read again what i have said.

IIf your idea of solving repair issues is to chain 44 FATEs in a row every single time your durability starts getting low (for the record, death is not the only thing that reduces item durability), I don't think we can establish a common ground on which to have a reasonable debate. Our ideals of what a MMORPG should be differ too much, and I'm not really into masochism.

If Fates are the only way for people to generate GC Seals.... then yeah, that would be masochism.

[Catharsis]

If Fates are the only way for people to generate GC Seals.... then yeah, that would be masochism

Pray enlighten us then, to what your renewable methods for getting 12000 grand company seals (an approximation of the cost of a full repair of 12 items, discounting the offhand in case your class does not use one) quickly and efficiently are.

I'm sure everyone reading this thread, myself included, would genuinely love to know.

[Nero]

Pray enlighten us then, to what your renewable methods for getting 12000 grand company seals (an approximation of the cost of a full repair of 12 items, discounting the offhand in case your class does not use one) quickly and efficiently are.

I'm sure everyone reading this thread, myself included, would genuinely love to know.

You mentioned one of the Basic Problems yourself;

quickly

It's intentional "slowing down" from SE, otherwise people would have all the existing Gear in the Game after 1 Month and would have beaten everything. Restrictions and Limitations are in Place to prevent several things, i.e. a) making the Game beatable within Weeks b) making Gil and other Aspects, which have influence on the economy pointless c) to prevent Inflation and so on.

You could get Seals from Fates of course, but also from Company Leves, the Hunting Logs and also Supply Missions.

Lets take a look.. you do a couple

- Company Leves

People would say you will not gain a lot of Seals from one, but what about the Items you get from the Treasure Chest in the Leve? Or actually Items from other Dungeons? Or other Supplies the GC is asking for? You can trade them in for Seals and personally that is more profitable for me than Fates. Yes the Allowances for Leves are also limited, but on the other hand steady to provide a certain amount income of Seals. It plays its "Role" in the Economy, like other "small things".

You will get not 12k from ONE Specific Event, which would be hilarious imho and would make everything else in the Game pointless.

So you did ask for an "efficent" way; i tell you to use the existing Methods as a whole and not only one Part of it. I do realize that our Opinions differ a lot, but i do accept your Point of View and i can surely understand where you are coming from.

[Catharsis]

You mentioned one of the Basic Problems yourself;

The standard of "Quickly" I'm using is a comparative one to going out naked and chopping down 5000 random shards to vendor to the nearest NPC for your repair bill. Since you fail to provide any solutions or alternatives to get GC Seals faster than that (which would probably be faster than waiting around for 44 fates to happen), I'm just going to assume you don't actually have a solution and are just carrying on about this because you can't deal with being wrong about the "Repair it yourself" option being completely uneconomical.

Frankly, we'll never agree on this issue because we have entirely different ideas of what constitutes fun, tedium, or a good game. You think that having people farm for 8 hours between repairs or limiting their activity to their daily pittance of leves (which require grinding themselves) is a good decision, and I don't.

[Furious]

You are aware of the Fact that certain Items are not even worth selling on the Markets, since people either dont buy/need them or you will get less than you would from a NPC? So selling stacks of certain Items to a NPC is please what? Exactly; generating Gil.

lol. I am not the one confusing something, i just obviously know more about how i can fill my pockets.



I am not even talking about getting gil from other Players, may you should read again what i have said.

Wait.. so your plan to generate gil is to use DoH/L to create vendor trash?

Lol.

Good luck spending an hour to make 10 minutes worth of repair gil.

Furthermore, good luck to the people who don't like crafting.