We need an AH

[Bled]

It did.

Again. the only thing that makes a market system into an Auction House is some sort of variable bidding where the price listed isn't always the price paid or received. IE Blind or Timed Bidding.

All Convenience changes that an AH have beyond those two points can be implemented into the Market Ward. You don't need an AH for them.

The only reason you would implement an AH is if you were going to introduce the Variable Bidding.

Which as of yet, I've yet to see anyone say that the reason they want an AH is because of Variable Bidding.

Interesting, if that's the case i don't see why everyone is so up in arms over this. I agree that familiarity is nice and i am used to AH's but the MW works nearly the same, just took some refining and getting used to.

[Physic]

the opinions of that dude are well thought out, but are majorly effected by lack of search function, which MW now has. Being able to get the item fast is relative, you think having to travel for 40 seconds is too long, but "fast" in game terms is relative, its honestly about as fast as if you had to go to an npc to buy an item in the same town. Definately shorter than going from my moghouse to the crafting guilds in FFXI at store opening to try to beat the rush.

Its not the level of convienence you would like for that feature, that i get, but i really dont think it improves the game overall to have instant AH versus having a well organized and searchable bazzar.

I do think they could add to Market wards though, breathe more life into them, they feel a bit claustrophobic. Today i was crafting in one ward, which is generally cool because most of the stuff you need ends up in one ward, but its not visually the type of place you d want to hang out in.

Too put it simply, market wards as a system has way more potential for cool stuff to expand on than an AH would, if the opportunity cost for that is 40 seconds, then im fine with that. However setting up some sort of delivery system with a tax, or some type of condition, wouldnt be a horrible idea.

I still dont believe in a price history though, even though i guess they could implement some sort of appraisal of items which could figure in its rough value over the past few months of sales

[Vackashken]

Umm no it wasn't meant to be witty, funny, sarcastic, or anything else but serious. Every last post I made where I added a bit of something besides seriousness I always add lol somewhere. I forgot though my main man Vack is my homie down the street who I chill with all day so he knows in perfect detail what I mean when I write/speak...lol seriously?

What? Seriously, stop trying to be funny. It just comes across as clunky and stupid.

There are people complaining about a few steps making unnecessary complaints which shouldn't be made in the first place no matter which way you or anyone else against this system wants to cut it. Period.

lol See what I did there? It's easy to come up with opinions.

The only thing I see here is yet another attempt at being witty again that has failed. Do YOU see what I did there? I suggest you stop.

I wonder how many people that cry for immersion are against this system? Just a thought

I wonder how many people... wait, didn't you say a few post back you'd stop responding to me?

[Akumu]

What? Seriously, stop trying to be funny. It just comes across as clunky and stupid.

Who cares what you think Vack? Should I care? Should I stop typing how I want and stating my opinions because some guy/girl on the internet said i'm stupid?

The only thing I see here is yet another attempt at being witty again that has failed. Do YOU see what I did there? I suggest you stop.

You suggest I stop why? What's going to happen if I keep typing? You seem to be the only person to date that seriously has a problem with something I wrote based off of my own opinion.

I wonder how many people... wait, didn't you say a few post back you'd stop responding to me?

What happened my homie Vack? I thought you knew what I wrote in perfect detail of its meaning? I guess you didn't realize that was a side thought not for you huh? Maybe we should go play some basketball and catch up for old times sake.

Also, yes I did say I would stop responding but sometimes I can't help myself when ignorance runs wild over my opinions.

P.S. I don't add sarcastic remarks to make people I don't know laugh at their computer screen. I do it because I personally laugh at ignorance which is why I write lol when I in fact...laugh out loud or chuckle.

[Mega]

OP is a clown. Lots of claims and no explanation. "The AH is simply faster!" Uhhh why? Cuz you say so? In the end Cairdeas owns you and your little thread.

[Vackashken]

Who cares what you think Vack? Should I care? Should I stop typing how I want and stating my opinions because some guy/girl on the internet said i'm stupid?

Apparently you care because you can't help but keep responding well after you said you weren't going to anymore. The irony is so delectable I can only wash it down with a glass of your stupid remarks. Serve another up, please.

You suggest I stop why? What's going to happen if I keep typing? You seem to be the only person to date that seriously has a problem with something I wrote based off of my own opinion.

Whats going to happen? Nothing. I just figured I'd try and help you out a bit by pointing out your attempts at being clever are portraying the exact opposite. As for having a problem I don't have any. Keep going if you like,

What happened my homie Vack? I thought you knew what I wrote in perfect detail of its meaning? I guess you didn't realize that was a side thought not for you huh? Maybe we should go play some basketball and catch up for old times sake.

Please stop superimposing me into your stories of long lost amigos or whatever bizarre fairytale you're spinning.

Also, yes I did say I would stop responding but sometimes I can't help myself when ignorance runs wild over my opinions.

Ignorance? What exactly am I ignorant of?

P.S. I don't add sarcastic remarks to make people I don't know laugh at their computer screen. I do it because I personally laugh at ignorance which is why I write lol when I in fact...laugh out loud or chuckle.

I have no interest in making people laugh. Perhaps at some point you could start making sense and this would go smoother.

[whoopeeragon]

Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

[Akumu]

Ignorance? What exactly am I ignorant of?

Seriously? Do you remember how this back and forth trash started?

I have no interest in making people laugh. Perhaps at some point you could start making sense and this would go smoother.

Let's take our own advice shall we? You know practice what you preach? Your responses to my personal opinion did not make much sense for someone of intelligence to actually take upon themselves to debate.


I have no desire to continue this irrelevant discussion anymore. Clearly you have the need to continue complaining about my personal opinion.

[Vackashken]

Vackashken, please read over Caideas' posts, and answer the question; what exactly is it about the AH is so potentially attractive over having a MW? And no, 'faster' is not an answer, 'more convenient' is also not an answer as those can be addressed towards the MW. If you are purposely ignoring those posts which nail down this whole argument, then there is no point in continuing to flame and be-riddle others, is there?

I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

[Cairdeas]

I'm sorry what? The argument is nailed down because someone disagrees that it is or isn't faster?

The unequivocal fact, in the sense of time, is AH are faster and more convenient. People can try and splice this any way they want but me coming up to a window, doing a search and that item sliding into my inventory will always be faster then doing a search, teleporting to wherever the item is and then having to teleport out. I don't have to drone on about it because its just that simple. I don't, like I would imagine so many others, don't want to wade through a choked room full of standing loot bags to get what I want.

Aside from the absurdity above, its yet another gimlet-eyed example of SE not learn anything about what works and what doesn't in their own game, never mind any other working titles. Yet again the game shines with their own unintended consequences in the form of not having linked auction houses, the player populace is once again pigeonholed into Ul Dah. If you want to buy anything - where do you have to go for the most part? Thats right, Ul Dah causing their other cities and areas to become that much more defunct.

The unintended consequence from the debacle that is the Market Wards still resonates to this day. Sorry, whatever ornamental words people come up with to try and defend this terrible system cannot change it. Well, perhaps in your rose-tinted perception but not in the inferior mechanics of it all.

As for not responding to this mess with anything other then jest, what can I say? The argument of the comparison is so simplistic it's like people are trying to debate something equally as thought provoking as "Do we really need air to breath?" or "do we need food to live!?"

Give me a break.

Please re-read all the stuff you haven't read.

1. Auction House is only an Auction House if it has Blind or Timed Bidding.
2. All Time based Conveniences that the Market Wards lack that "Auction Houses" have can be implemented into the Market Wards without ever mentioning or using an Auction or Auction House.
3. One of the Benefits of an Market Ward over an Auction House is Impulse Buying. Most people do not impulse buy on Auction Houses, they find what they want and leave. With the ward system you can potentially introduce characters to new items they didn't know about or knew about and would want but never considered buying at the time. Or sell things in sets so that when a person searches for one part of the set they can find and buy the other parts directly from you. This is not something you can do with an AH. Each item has to be searched for individually.