1.0 Ul'dahn story arc

[Anonymoose]

As with Papalymo and Y'shtola, they all seem to know of the echo and the significance of the starshower, but are completely unaware that it has sounded as such.

Random question just to see how you interpret it:

If Papalymo is knowledgeable about but does not possess the Echo (or possibly even know that it has sounded), where did he become versed in Mooglespeak?

We make efforts to learn mooglespeak, but our control of the language is rudimentary at best. Without the conjurers, this endeavor would be completely hopeless. I know not of such things, but there are some that can use mooglespeak, whether through divine providence or study. And not all of them are forestborn.

Do we take it for granted that he studied in Sharlayan unaware that it would ever be of use and move on? They definitely didn't foresee needing at, as Yda can't even tell Gridania from the afterlife.

Just for fun, I'm going to pull up all in-game visuals of the star-shower and triangulate its position based on player vantage point.

<deep, shocked inhale and sounds of mind explosion>

I WILL MEET YOU IN THE ECHO THREAD.

[Catapult]

If Papalymo is knowledgeable about but does not possess the Echo (or possibly even know that it has sounded), where did he become versed in Mooglespeak?

Do we take it for granted that he studied in Sharlayan unaware that it would ever be of use and move on? They definitely didn't foresee needing at, as Yda can't even tell Gridania from the afterlife.

First up, Yda is a bit of a noob. Papalymo is the brains of the outfit. Given that the lass serves most commonly as comic relief, I'm not too worried about her great beyond.

The explanation that he studied in Sharlayan kinda fits, but is indeed not optimal. We are going to have to revisit this at some point, but I'm going to need more information first.

[HiirNoivl]

Echo lull Echo...

lol

I wonder if the people who were "awakening" to the echo 10 years ago are actually the same people who are "suddenly awakening to it now".

Hiir Noivl is discovered using an echo while experiencing one. She zaps out of that time and back into the time she was from.

[Nowen]

The Starshower kinda reminds me of the moment when the Primals manifested and scattered after the Fall of the Keeper in the Opening-cinematic... I'd guess that's the point when the power of the Echo awakened.

[Catapult]

The Starshower kinda reminds me of the moment when the Primals manifested and scattered after the Fall of the Keeper in the Opening-cinematic... I'd guess that's the point when the power of the Echo awakened.

This was what I first thought as well, but then I noticed the lack of a huge dragon underneath it, so they can't be the same starshower. However I do agree that the fall of the keeper had implications for the echo, as it did for aether throughout Eorzea.

[Sabi]

Just wanted to thank NoloeTazier for the summary of the Ul'dahn storyline. Things make quite i bit more sense now.

Really looking forward to the storylines in ARR!

[NoloeTazier]

This was what I first thought as well, but then I noticed the lack of a huge dragon underneath it, so they can't be the same starshower. However I do agree that the fall of the keeper had implications for the echo, as it did for aether throughout Eorzea.

tbh you don't need to see Midgarsormr for it to be the same explosion. Literally it's the aftermath and not the explosion itself. And as I've stated in other threads before, the 2nd time we see a star shower is what would happen at the Seventh Umbral. With Tanaka it probably would have been part of the Meteor Project...Yoshi was literally able to take the reigns and turn it into a Meteor Project² with Bahamut. So when people go "well it doesn't look like Dalamud's destruction at end of 1.0," they have to realize the cutscene was Tanaka's. Yoshi was able to go all out with this current story that was developing.

Just wanted to thank NoloeTazier for the summary of the Ul'dahn storyline. Things make quite i bit more sense now.

Really looking forward to the storylines in ARR!

Not a problem, I'm around more now so I can answer any questions about the Ul'dah storyline. I literally was typing up the synopsis/speculations while watching the CS' and talking to NPCs. So I'm sure there's some things in there that I would dispute now that I'm "more" knowledgeable on the issues. I still have a thousand questions myself.

[Sabi]

Same as you mentioned, really curious about Warburton and also the Assassin.. oh and also what did Nielesfresne see in the sarcophagus, hopefully we will get the answers in ARR.

Did Warburton have a shadow btw?

[NoloeTazier]

Same as you mentioned, really curious about Warburton and also the Assassin.. oh and also what did Nielesfresne see in the sarcophagus, hopefully we will get the answers in ARR.

Did Warburton have a shadow btw?

Yeah he did, every character from Ul'dah had a shadow. When Ferne announced the shadow thing I went right back to checking the cutscenes. I thought for sure that Corguevais wouldn't have a shadow because of the similarity of being an Elezen and stealing a Horn that can control monster like the Limsa story line...but Travanchet has a big big difference, he had his own music.

Least there's only 2 answers for the sarcophagus question...he was either in there or he wasn't. Of course that's then broken down because clearly he wasn't...I mean why would Nielle gasp, it had to either be empty or someone else, perhaps Corguevais, was in there. Corguevais and not Warburton would be the biggest surprise. But why and how would Warburton have faked his death while Ascilia and Corguevais looked on. As far as I know there's no flower in the ffxiv universe (like we have irl) that can induce a trance like dead state. But there is 1 thing that we do know of that can induce a frozen death-like state...the Heartstrike Dagger.

But how he could have been affected by the dagger and why Lord Lolorito would have allowed this is beyond me. So much speculation on my part, but that's all I have at the moment ((.

Ultimately what we're suppose to believe is that Warburton died when he pushed Ascilia away from the rampaging Goobbue. But there's no view of him getting hit by the Goobbue or the debris. He was suppose to have vital information for Ul'dah's safety..yet he stops to watch the parade with Ascilia. During the opening instances you can talk to Ascilia and Warburton...one of Warburton's lines is something like "Hello friend, do you know where I can get transportation to hamlet nearby I'm to meet a friend." Which is odd because you'd think the information is for Ul'dah and not Little Ala Mhigo/Silver/Gold Bazaar..not too sure if Little Ala Mhigo was yet established.

Now if the assassin had not hit Niellefresne at the time, I wonder what kind of truths we would know now. As we know from the Goldsmith class quests Lord Lolorito had Nielle assassinated because he stole the Heartstrike dagger from him. And Nielle's friend Greinfarr is looking for a way to "end" the frozen death state...I'm really really really really curious to see if Nielle is still suspended in ARR.

Anyways, simple answer: No one is an Ascian in the Ul'dah Storyline.
Speculation: Corguevais is in the sarcophagus.

Edit: Forgot to say, I still feel like the Lalafell Twins "took care of" Corguevais. After all they tell Rururaji (the Chocobo Lalafell) that they took care of him and sort of wiped their hands together. Whatever that is...but then somehow the body would have to get in the sarcophagus for my speculation to be right. So somehow it is. Also Siren!

[NoloeTazier]

From Left to Right:

• Eolande (Prior of Frondale's Phrontistery)
• Dewlala (Director of Milvaneth Sacrarium the OTHER Thaumaturge guild)
• Teledji Adeledji (Owner of the Mirage Trust and Prince of Ul'dah and Sultana Nanamo Ul Namo's brother)
• Fyrgeiss (Chief Foreman of Amajina & Sons Mineral Concern)
• Lord Lolorito (Owner of Sunsilk Tapestries and Eshtaime's Aesthetics and proprietor of the East Aldenard Trading Company)

[*]Raubahn Aldynn (who of course we all know)[/list]
I took these pics today because I wanted to show everyone who The Syndicate really is. They are rich and probably the most influential people in all of Eorzea...and in some cases the most ruthless. At least in Lolorito's case with the involvement of selling to Garlean merchants and his actions that lead to the frozen-death-state of Niellefresne.

Not exactly part of the Ul'dah storyline but I wanted to make a post for the Syndicate Members just for a reference for others, instead of making a separate thread and tossing in all kinds of speculations.