Job Leveling / Separate Idenity

[Shougun]

I was thinking of how to vary jobs from classes without totally destroying the current system (so 'try' to suggest things that dont say "start from scratch" - although this idea is like 50% there lol). Also once we play beta we can A be more prepared to say what we like or B happily shut up , so no problem talking about it now


What do people think about using a sphere grid / crystarium / License board?




Imo, its pretty easy to imagine if you already know the sphere grid (FFX) or Crystarium (FFXIII) or even the License board (FFXII). / Like Merit systems

Anyway when you get the soul stone (what gives you the job) you unlock the grid for that job and the grid screen.


What I imagine could be useful from this system is that you can make unlocks and leveling for jobs.


Some of the key elements I think that can be helpful for this system is that jobs can level by themselves but yet feel separate from classes leveling style (and make more sense of the soul stone we are using) as well:


- certain spheres have the requirement of other jobs, like level 30 GLD and you can unlock license for 1handed swords on ninja. Or level 15 WHM and you can use staffs on BLM


- mile stone spheres block your path till a quest is completed (so ancient magics are locked, and other special paths)


- similar to cross weapon spheres you can have cross ability spheres too like BLM being able to unlock aero and stone


- shattered and charged spheres, spheres that remove abilities from the job that come from a class - like a WHM has shattered aero and stone spheres but unlocking them either unlocks the two spells again or (like in another thread) switches them to banish and dia. Charged spheres enhance abilities both class and job abilities


- new abilities / passives / and stat bonuses (just like in their native systems)




Once you hit the level cap you can still earn points to the system but you can only hold a small handful, and also I think there should be other things you can spend the points on like at a reduced efficiency transferring the points as exp to other classes. (Though like in the games these systems come from maxing isnt a 1 hour event)



What does this do different?


The change isnt as huge so hopefully its not as hard to implement, and being so close to release without delaying.. thats good (Its still a big but its not as big as "get rid of the whole system")


- Jobs can gain variety of weapons, and this makes sense because jobs are ideas and not weapons (hence why they are not a part of the armory system)


- Jobs can be restricted from their adopting class abilities where need be, can be added abilities from cross classes, and can add personal thematic touches to abilities as well as passives and stat bonuses


- Doubling up Jobs on classes would be much easier






*Jobs getting multiple weapons will work best when stats have been changed so that all stats are useful (I think SE should do this also because stat allocation is generally pointless since only two stats are worth while anyways). So a mage unlocking daggers can be useful or a Paladin using a Greatsword.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

I like your idea, but.. really why bother with it now? seriously why ppl even bother with the armoury system now?

[Zenaku]

No because at the end people would make the best skill to be unlock so it end up being useless. It's works fine in a offline game but a online game players would always find the best set up and make other use it.

[Shougun]

I like your idea, but.. really why bother with it now? seriously why ppl even bother with the armoury system now?

You mean now as in after my idea or now as in now lol


The armoury system would still be useful for solo since you can do the weirdest things in the armoury system - this system would just make jobs really able to form their theme.


Particularly useful for jobs that are awkward like geomancer, blue mage, beastmaster - in these jobs using the sphere grid would let you change the classes it births from.

No because at the end people would make the best skill to be unlock so it end up being useless. It's works fine in a offline game but a online game players would always find the best set up and make other use it.

I dont think you understand the system then.

This isnt a talent tree. You can unlock the whole thing - its just another way of representing leveling, particularly useful because it shows logical transformation of the job over the class. Like using your points to change x spell in y spell or getting x weapon from z class. If you did it in the normal level system it would be confusing because every time you level you'd just get bombarded with weird changes.

Although SE could make "1 or the other" options. I'm not against choice - but those have to be carefully carefully created.

[fusional]

No because at the end people would make the best skill to be unlock so it end up being useless. It's works fine in a offline game but a online game players would always find the best set up and make other use it.

you just really hate doing optimal dps, don't you?

[Aldora]

I would prefer the old method, where you had to purchase your spell scrolls in a shop, or get them via quest. I loved going to the FF11 shop to buy new spells and see which spells I could buy on which levels.

[Zenaku]

you just really hate doing optimal dps, don't you?

No the point is the system give you freedom to become anything or do anything under one class right? Will it end up being if you don't have X,Y,Z level and have A,B,C unlock then get out of my party. So then what would be the point of making such a awesome system to be end up being use one way and not the many way it could be.

it's not about optimal dps it's the fact that it would cost a lot of money,time just to make a system where everyone going to end up being one thing for each class anyways. Wish it was not like that but sadly it's not so that my point.

At least i did not say no and not even a reason for it like what most people do on here.


@Shougun ya i understand what you mean but at the end not even half of the spells unlock would be used. People would find the best setup and only use that too SE update then they make a new set up. That my point i love for a system like that but it just going to be end up being pointless no one going to use it to the fullest.

[Shougun]

I would prefer the old method, where you had to purchase your spell scrolls in a shop, or get them via quest. I loved going to the FF11 shop to buy new spells and see which spells I could buy on which levels.

I think you can do that either way (for classes and jobs) :P


This system is more then just getting new abilities though its about changing old abilities and giving a large amount of freedom to the devs to follow a tight thematic view of each job rather then having the classes stifle the job (imo, which is why I and at least most people I see dislike the current system).

@Shougun ya i understand what you mean but at the end not even half of the spells unlock would be used. People would find the best setup and only use that too SE update then they make a new set up. That my point i love for a system like that but it just going to be end up being pointless no one going to use it to the fullest.

There is always maxing, but giving more options particularly weapons and making all stats useful will add more max options. You'll never escape maxing, but you can make many fun maxing options.

This system is just a way to stem away from classes and letting jobs logically break away. A, the leveling system is different giving to the idea they are different, B, its jobs / classes so we know they are different, C, the leveling system provides ways to modify farther then a normal system (auto leveling) allows.

So its more like a suggestion to give more tools to the dev to get away from being locked into classes. Since I dont play FF games for the armory I honestly give two shits about the armory lol - I love jobs and I will be sad to see Jobs stifled in their natural creativity and thematic views because of the armory system (classes).

But I understand your fear of maxing and not getting to play the fun style you like.

[Zenaku]

I think you can do that either way (for classes and jobs) :P


This system is more then just getting new abilities though its about changing old abilities and giving a large amount of freedom to the devs to follow a tight thematic view of each job rather then having the classes stifle the job (imo, which is why I and at least most people I see dislike the current system).



There is always maxing, but giving more options particularly weapons and making all stats useful will add more max options. You'll never escape maxing, but you can make many fun maxing options.

This system is just a way to stem away from classes and letting jobs logically break away. A, the leveling system is different giving to the idea they are different, B, its jobs / classes so we know they are different, C, the leveling system provides ways to modify farther then a normal system (auto leveling) allows.

So its more like a suggestion to give more tools to the dev to get away from being locked into classes. Since I dont play FF games for the armory I honestly give two shits about the armory lol - I love jobs and I willl be said to see classes stifled in their natural creativity and thematic views because of the armory system.

But I understand your fear of maxing and not getting to play the fun style you like.

with the job system they said they adding more job to each class making them each different. Sure atm they only have 5 spell but at level 65 that would be over 15 spells more then enough to make two jobs link to one class very different if that what you looking for overall it's a nice system you talking about but i just don't see them making it work for a online game. Or waste there time rebuilding the Armory system

[Shougun]

with the job system they said they adding more job to each class making them each different. Sure atm they only have 5 spell but at level 65 that would be over 15 spells more then enough to make two jobs link to one class very different if that what you looking for overall it's a nice system you talking about but i just don't see them making it work for a online game. Or waste there time rebuilding the Armory system

Armory system wouldnt need to be rebuilt for this, the Job system would need to be tweaked a lot though.


The main thing I'd see from this is that through a charged sphere or a shattered sphere you could intermix using class and job abilities. Because can you imagine at level 80 without this system you get all your two classes abilities and your own Job abilities. Its a cluster fck lol


In this way the job would be paced normally instead of on some hectic exponential ability splurge each expansion (also makes balancing the job later on much easier as you can control things better both on class and job side).