Oh, I got your point and agrees with that effort = reward.

In borrowing your quote, I was just trying to remind people that up to this point, effort doesn't equate to the hours you put in. So that in itself is a major issue SE needs to address, and they will.

But one major disagreement within the past few pages is that some considers camping = effort, while others considers pre-conditions to induce a force-pop = effort.

I do not believe those that are against the pop-window method are against putting in the effort. It just seems we have different meanings for "effort" in the discussion. To me, pop-window is just waiting around and is effortless, as I do not have to do anything, other then be there when the time is up.

jc