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    Has this been discussed here yet?
    What you guys think about this verse?
    When it talks about Primal Desires i understand it talking about the most basic feelings which that would be hate and love? but that two swords will lay them down..both of them not just evil has me confused..
    the two swords are different and man will have to choose which one will decide their fate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlock View Post


    Has this been discussed here yet?
    What you guys think about this verse?
    When it talks about Primal Desires i understand it talking about the most basic feelings which that would be hate and love? but that two swords will lay them down..both of them not just evil has me confused..
    the two swords are different and man will have to choose which one will decide their fate
    Here:
    http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-new-prophecy
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    I meant here as in this thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlock View Post
    I meant here as in this thread
    Nope but I'll copy and paste what I posted in that thread cause I'm lazy.

    I'll take a stab at it.

    Dawn may banish even the darkest night.
    Simple and to the point, the transition of the Seventh Umbral to the Seventh Astral.
    Yet ever shall primal desires burn.
    Even a catastrophe, such as the Seventh Umbral, could not stop the true nature of man. Greed, war and power still drive the animalistic natures of man whether they be Garlean or Eorzean. Selfish desires will persist even through the hard times.
    Two swords shall vie to lay them low--
    A blade born of light, and a blade forged of might.
    The Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire are the 2 'swords.' The blade born of light doesn't refer to light vs dark or good vs evil, both of those are subjective as everyone views their own ideals as good and opposite views as being evil. Instead the blade born of light means the Eorzean Alliance and the Eorzean people have opened their eyes and realized the threats that have surrounded them, whether it's the Garleans, Primals, Ascians, traitors in their own ranks, or hidden dangers not yet seen.
    The blade forged of might is clearly the Empire under Solus zos Galvus, he rose to power and made the Empire what it is today with his intellect and machina. In contrast with the sword of light, he created the blade, while the Eorzean Alliance was (re)born.

    Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one.
    This line doesn't mean much to us as we don't really have much of a choice in that we're adventurers fighting for our Grand Companies and not given the choice to aid the Empire. But story wise, the people of Eorzea could choose to help the Alliance or rollover and allow the Empire, who without van Darnus would probably be more than happy to accept the people into the ranks with a little brainwashing here and there, to do their thing and takeover and destroy the Primals or whatever the true goal is. But the line dictates there is no middle ground, it's one choice or the other. The Seventh Astral depends on this line and the choice that is made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mjollnir View Post
    Though to be fair, this is the only place in CG that you get to see a leve-plate. Is it such a leap of logic to consider that the leve-plate caused the Echo and not Deus Ex Machina?
    I find it equally likely that the leve-plate itself was the catalyst or that we just aren't shown that a member of the party was actually at the pub at the time. It's clear that Adventurers' Guilds recycle leve-plates - they're pretty much like those lanyards you wear to get backstage at concerts. A lot of them look the same, multiple different crews might use the same lanyards at different shows... etc.

    However, the Echo is clearly stated to resonate with a "soul" - so did one of the old party members RECENTLY handle the plate while having a vivid flashback? Had the soul essence, and the crystalized glass plate for that matter, survive 10 years of adventurers taking it into the field?

    These are the main reasons I figure we have to either (A) pretend someone from the party was at the AG at the time, reminiscing about the decade anniversary or something, or (B) accept it as a lore-shattering inconsistency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mjollnir View Post
    ]I'm sticking to the theory that levequests are Echoes for XP and leve-plates take the place of a person to Echo ... I suggest the Echo in a levequest starts when the leve-plate whooshes up around the character and crackles with lightning. Zap! Back through time!
    This one I don't think is likely; the guild is giving you permission to do normally off-limits things (giving you LEAVE, middle English "leve") to meet the CURRENT needs of someone who has used the guild to broker a contract between patron and adventurer. For instance, in Treasures of the Main (which is taking AGES to write a Loremonger for), Baderon basically gives you charity by giving you your first guildleve; he tells the guild to pay a sum of coin to whomever completes his contract, but then doesn't have them offer it to anyone and slips it in your bag when you're not looking. You go out, you solve his problem (tracking and eliminating a nest of rats that are raiding the Wench's stores) and he pays you. All in current time.

    Also, there's this quote from the original FFXIV promotional material:

    "When issuing tasks or quests, guilds will often provide adventurers with these plates, allowing their bearers "leave" to take whatever steps necessary to complete the jobs, including entry into normally restricted areas, hunting or harvesting on private lands, the confiscation of goods, even negotiations with those considered enemies of the city-states."


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    Sounds legit to me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    ~snip~
    What you think about the CGI intro having two outcomes i talked about on last page? :O
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoloeTazier View Post
    Nope but I'll copy and paste what I posted in that thread cause I'm lazy.

    I'll take a stab at it.


    Simple and to the point, the transition of the Seventh Umbral to the Seventh Astral.

    Even a catastrophe, such as the Seventh Umbral, could not stop the true nature of man. Greed, war and power still drive the animalistic natures of man whether they be Garlean or Eorzean. Selfish desires will persist even through the hard times.

    The Eorzean Alliance and the Garlean Empire are the 2 'swords.' The blade born of light doesn't refer to light vs dark or good vs evil, both of those are subjective as everyone views their own ideals as good and opposite views as being evil. Instead the blade born of light means the Eorzean Alliance and the Eorzean people have opened their eyes and realized the threats that have surrounded them, whether it's the Garleans, Primals, Ascians, traitors in their own ranks, or hidden dangers not yet seen.
    The blade forged of might is clearly the Empire under Solus zos Galvus, he rose to power and made the Empire what it is today with his intellect and machina. In contrast with the sword of light, he created the blade, while the Eorzean Alliance was (re)born.


    This line doesn't mean much to us as we don't really have much of a choice in that we're adventurers fighting for our Grand Companies and not given the choice to aid the Empire. But story wise, the people of Eorzea could choose to help the Alliance or rollover and allow the Empire, who without van Darnus would probably be more than happy to accept the people into the ranks with a little brainwashing here and there, to do their thing and takeover and destroy the Primals or whatever the true goal is. But the line dictates there is no middle ground, it's one choice or the other. The Seventh Astral depends on this line and the choice that is made.
    I don't think it's possible to even speculate on the poem at this time. On the last poem, when it was released, Dalamud was just a sparkle in the skies, we had no idea that black dooms referred to Atomos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    I don't think it's possible to even speculate on the poem at this time. On the last poem, when it was released, Dalamud was just a sparkle in the skies, we had no idea that black dooms referred to Atomos.
    The reason why I even responded in that thread was because people were taking 'primal' and thinking it literally meant the primals, I wanted to put that to rest. As for now we sort of have a vision of where the story is going, as for the past when Yoshi took over we didn't know the real direction. Until we get into Beta (if there's even a bit of Lore) all we can do is speculate. Sadly with NDA we'll have to take our discussions to the Beta forums and this thread will gain a bit of dust.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlock View Post
    Spoilered so that it's easier for me to scroll.
    "Dawn may banish even the darkest night."
    This may be referring to the coming Astral Era that will begin after the Seventh Umbra Era. Since we know Umbral Eras consist of times of destruction, and end when they're over, I think it's reasonable to assume that Bahamut's attack was the Umbral Era and the Seventh Astral Era began when he was locked away.

    "Yet ever shall primal desires burn."
    I think the 'primal desires' line may be a bit of a double entendre. I don't think they'd just use that word in that sense, when it could also mean something different in the context of the game. With that in mind, I think this line is suggesting that the Primals are still around and the beastmen are still fighting over the crystals.

    "Two swords vie to lay them low— A blade born of light, and a blade forged of might."
    I'm not so sure about this one, but I think these may refer to a division between the people of Eorzea's ideal methods of dealing with the Primals and Bahamut. One side seeks out the power of the Twelve, while the other turns to the Empire's Magitek. But, that's not all, I think this line may also refer to the 'swords' or 'keys' that sealed Bahamut. The blade of light would refer to the Twelve's version of the key/sword, in which they attempted to seal him with their raw magic alone, whereas the Sharlyans used their Magitek, their blade of Might, to seal him succefully.

    "Alas, man may entrust his fate unto but one."
    As for the final line, it think that is self explanatory. In the end, only one of the two methods will work. Personally, I'm hoping for the Twelve to help us, but I feel that Louisoix is referring to Magitek. He's seen first hand how The Twelve's power failed, so it would be logical to assume he decided that their last chance is to use Magitek to stop Bahamut, as that worked before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlock View Post


    Has this been discussed here yet?
    What you guys think about this verse?
    When it talks about Primal Desires i understand it talking about the most basic feelings which that would be hate and love? but that two swords will lay them down..both of them not just evil has me confused..
    the two swords are different and man will have to choose which one will decide their fate
    The first line of the prophecy was spoken by Urianger when you arrive at the headquarters of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn. I would take it to indicate that the arrival of the adventurers blessed by the Crystal at Vesper bay, both new and Legacy, is the beginning of the dawn that they speak of.

    Immediately after that, you have an encounter with a primal.

    As a blade born of the crystals light you felled it, only to be watched by a sword of might from the Empire.

    All that's left is the last line...

    Do I have this figured out already? D=

    Quote Originally Posted by HiirNoivl View Post
    There's a preview translation for the ConnectOn! Interview in the JP to English thread.... Urianger was a temporary NPC and is taking a break...? Maybe he'll be back later.

    More interesting tidbit was that Legacy PCs will be treated slightly differently than new players when it comes to NPC dialogue. So Loremongers need to be sure to make a new character in ARR. To get both sides of the story. To survivors of the SUE, PCs who transferred from 1.0 story line are called "Hollow Beings". Of course, this is a translation and the localization team may call us something else in English.

    I wonder why they would give us a name with such a negative connotation?
    It appears that the Mystery of Urianger is gone sorta and he's back. I haven't heard the exact reference to Hollow Beings. The legacy players are described by Baderon as people who's name is on the tips of people's tongues but they can't quite remember them. "Like a bird against the sun" they can only see them vaguely in their minds. They're "hollow presences" it seems, is in people's memories.
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