Too many flashy abilities?

[casker]

But it's your poor ability to understand, though I would state that it's more like bitching that the cookie dough doesn't look like a cookie. Your complaints are still premature. Alpha is not meant to display game content or actions, it's meant to test server stability. It is understood that most things (animations, quest, et.) are likely already changed. Beta is when such things are actually being tested.

It's not like a cookie at all. That's the whole point and why the analogy is stupid. Alerith essentially said it's like a cookie and then said not to compare it to a cookie because he knows his analogy doesn't logically fit. A game can change based on feedback at whatever stage. A cookie does not. They both finally reach their form but a cookie doesn't take feedback into account. The games final shape is not a given. A cookie's is.

I can assume things like textures will get better. Optimization will get better, and now that they confirmed it, animations should get better. Those are pretty much the only thing we should take for granted like the cookie dough taking form. For anything else, saying "IT'S JUST AN ALPHA" is horsecrap. The alpha is meant for server stability and what not but its stupid to assume that the "game content or actions" are going to be drastically different from what we've got, just because. There is absolutely no downside in telling them what you think about what they've got earlier on in the cycle.

[Alerith]

It's not like a cookie at all. That's the whole point and why the analogy is stupid. Alerith essentially said it's like a cookie and then said not to compare it to a cookie because he knows his analogy doesn't logically fit. A game can change based on feedback at whatever stage. A cookie does not. They both finally reach their form but a cookie doesn't take feedback into account. The games final shape is not a given. A cookie's is.

Try again.

[casker]

You try again. It's your stupid ass analogy.

[AlexNiculaie]

Alpha wasn't current even when testers got access. Do you understand that fact? The animations and systems in it, are weeks, if not months behind the current version of the game. Do you UNDERSTAND that? You are basically complaining about things which are more than likely not even in the current build. You can't accurately offer an opinion on anything other than server stability with alpha. Beta has long left it behind before testing even started.

Alpha is about server stability, not animations or even battle systems. Alpha is NOT about visuals, it's about server structure only. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I don't think anyone can say it more simply for you.

Beta is when you CAN critique because it will be the most up to date at that time. Even if complete access is not granted, Beta is the up to date version, and the systems, animation, etc. are the most current, therefore allowing for the opportunity to accurately judge those things by.

Alpha = not current, asking for changes not helpful, Beta = current and looking for changes where needed.

[Terri]

I think its funny that many are not seeing the real point OP is trying to make.

Think of it this way, when you go to PVP or some kind of event (Like FATE stuff) would you rather leave your effects on and be able to tell whats what, or HAVE to turn them off because everything is blinding you, you can't tell what skill is what and be able to counter easier. The battles now are paced a lot faster than what we're used to, so seeing flash flash for every single little thing- while cool now, will get very old and annoying over time.

Yes it's alpha, we ALL realize this. We don't know exactly for sure what to expect for as far as battle graphics go. But the point is to say this now so it can be fixed. Yes we do want Flashy OTT effects, but they should honestly be saved for the more powerful skills so well... you can differentiate it easier. This is EXTREMELY important in not only PvP, but also for when fighting normal mobs too. ( Easier to see effects than text sometimes ) They are trying to just say to the dev team "Hey, maybe you guys should not make all skills be SUPER flashy so we can see whats going on easier later on." just in case it is similar, which is more than likely.

I agree 100% with the OP and casker (only read the first page and skimmed through btw ) on how the skills for lower levels should be scaled down a bit, if it hasn't been done for beta already. This was always a pet peeve of mine in games- especially when it comes to PVP. I rather be able to see the pretty effects for the more powerful skills over the lolflash of every single normal ability blocking everything. :< Easier to support and counter stuff especially when you don't have to STARE at the chat log 100% to know whats going on.

[casker]

Alpha wasn't current even when testers got access. Do you understand that fact? The animations and systems in it, are weeks, if not months behind the current version of the game. Do you UNDERSTAND that? You are basically complaining about things which are more than likely not even in the current build. You can't accurately offer an opinion on anything other than server stability with alpha. Beta has long left it behind before testing even started.

Alpha is about server stability, not animations or even battle systems. Alpha is NOT about visuals, it's about server structure only. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? I don't think anyone can say it more simply for you.

Beta is when you CAN critique because it will be the most up to date at that time. Even if complete access is not granted, Beta is the up to date version, and the systems, animation, etc. are the most current, therefore allowing for the opportunity to accurately judge those things by.

Alpha = not current, asking for changes not helpful, Beta = current and looking for changes where needed.

Sure buddy. And when they give us the beta it will be behind what SE currently has in development, and you will be saying "DON'T CRITICIZE IT IT'S JUST IN BETA, WAIT FOR LAUNCH. SE'S CLIENT PROBABLY ALREADY FIXED IT!

So if I don't like the back pedaling I am supposed to assume it will change because IT'S JUST AN ALPHAAAAAA
If I think the flashiness is too much I am supposed to assume it will change because IT'S JUST AN ALPHAAAAAA
If I think the sprint ability could be improved I should just not saying thing and assume it will change because IT'S JUST AN ALPHAAAAAAAAA
If I think the 3 second CD is not good I shouldn't say anything and assume it will be changed because IT'S JUST AN ALPHAAAAAAA

There is no downside to telling them what you think. Ever. At any time.

[Alerith]

You try again. It's your stupid ass analogy.

My, my. Someone is getting touchy. Very well, I'll throw you a bone and actually explain it for you. Though only god knows why something this simple needs to be explained...

At no point did I say "The game is like a cookie." I stated that "Complaining about certain things in an Alpha is like complaining about a cookie that you didn't fully bake."

As you can see, the comparison is between stupidity of complaints pertaining to incomplete products, not how the game is like a cookie.

I feel deeply saddened this extremely simple thing needed to be explained to you. The comparison you're trying to insinuate is the comparison of the Alpha to Cookie dough. However, since that isn't what I said to begin with, the argument from you is just ...*sunglasses* half-baked.

[AlexNiculaie]

I'm not in alpha, but i have seen actual gameplay outside of those in the official videos, and even though the person used every ability often, it was never hard to tell what was going on, nor did it fill the screen with too big effects. Maybe it was because they had the camera further out, but the issues being complained about just were not a problem. Who knows if it will be the same or not. No point in worrying about it until we can actually see one way or another and SE is actually looking for our input.

[AlexNiculaie]

Actually once beta is here I'll say bitch all you want because that is when it will actually be useful. But keep on being obtuse. It's what you seem best at.

[casker]

My, my. Someone is getting touchy. Very well, I'll throw you a bone and actually explain it for you. Though only god knows why something this simple needs to be explained...

At no point did I say "The game is like a cookie." I stated that "Complaining about certain things in an Alpha is like complaining about a cookie that you didn't fully bake."

As you can see, the comparison is between stupidity of complaints, not how the game is like a cookie.

I feel deeply saddened this extremely simple thing needed to be explained to you. The comparison you're trying to insinuate is the comparison of the Alpha to Cookie dough. However, since that isn't what I said to begin with, the argument from you is just ...*sunglasses* half-baked.

Apparently you don't know how analogies work. If complaining about the game in alpha is like complaining about a cookie baking, you are taking the game to be the cookie. So yes, your analogy says the game is like a cookie. And since they have key differences, the game is not like a cookie, which makes the analogy a bad one.

I feel deeply saddened (amused) that you don't even understand the mechanics of your own analogy, and furthermore, what an analogy does, or what makes a good analogy.