Too many flashy abilities?

[casker]

But it's your poor ability to understand, though I would state that it's more like bitching that the cookie dough doesn't look like a cookie. Your complaints are still premature. Alpha is not meant to display game content or actions, it's meant to test server stability. It is understood that most things (animations, quest, et.) are likely already changed. Beta is when such things are actually being tested.

It's not like a cookie at all. That's the whole point and why the analogy is stupid. Alerith essentially said it's like a cookie and then said not to compare it to a cookie because he knows his analogy doesn't logically fit. A game can change based on feedback at whatever stage. A cookie does not. They both finally reach their form but a cookie doesn't take feedback into account. The games final shape is not a given. A cookie's is.

I can assume things like textures will get better. Optimization will get better, and now that they confirmed it, animations should get better. Those are pretty much the only thing we should take for granted like the cookie dough taking form. For anything else, saying "IT'S JUST AN ALPHA" is horsecrap. The alpha is meant for server stability and what not but its stupid to assume that the "game content or actions" are going to be drastically different from what we've got, just because. There is absolutely no downside in telling them what you think about what they've got earlier on in the cycle.

[Alerith]

It's not like a cookie at all. That's the whole point and why the analogy is stupid. Alerith essentially said it's like a cookie and then said not to compare it to a cookie because he knows his analogy doesn't logically fit. A game can change based on feedback at whatever stage. A cookie does not. They both finally reach their form but a cookie doesn't take feedback into account. The games final shape is not a given. A cookie's is.

Try again.

[casker]

You try again. It's your stupid ass analogy.

[Alerith]

You try again. It's your stupid ass analogy.

My, my. Someone is getting touchy. Very well, I'll throw you a bone and actually explain it for you. Though only god knows why something this simple needs to be explained...

At no point did I say "The game is like a cookie." I stated that "Complaining about certain things in an Alpha is like complaining about a cookie that you didn't fully bake."

As you can see, the comparison is between stupidity of complaints pertaining to incomplete products, not how the game is like a cookie.

I feel deeply saddened this extremely simple thing needed to be explained to you. The comparison you're trying to insinuate is the comparison of the Alpha to Cookie dough. However, since that isn't what I said to begin with, the argument from you is just ...*sunglasses* half-baked.

[casker]

My, my. Someone is getting touchy. Very well, I'll throw you a bone and actually explain it for you. Though only god knows why something this simple needs to be explained...

At no point did I say "The game is like a cookie." I stated that "Complaining about certain things in an Alpha is like complaining about a cookie that you didn't fully bake."

As you can see, the comparison is between stupidity of complaints, not how the game is like a cookie.

I feel deeply saddened this extremely simple thing needed to be explained to you. The comparison you're trying to insinuate is the comparison of the Alpha to Cookie dough. However, since that isn't what I said to begin with, the argument from you is just ...*sunglasses* half-baked.

Apparently you don't know how analogies work. If complaining about the game in alpha is like complaining about a cookie baking, you are taking the game to be the cookie. So yes, your analogy says the game is like a cookie. And since they have key differences, the game is not like a cookie, which makes the analogy a bad one.

I feel deeply saddened (amused) that you don't even understand the mechanics of your own analogy, and furthermore, what an analogy does, or what makes a good analogy.

[Alerith]

Apparently you don't know how analogies work. If complaining about the game in alpha is like complaining about a cookie baking, you are taking the game to be the cookie. So yes, your analogy says the game is like a cookie. And since they have key differences, the game is not like a cookie, which makes the analogy a bad one.

I feel deeply saddened (amused) that you don't even understand the mechanics of your own analogy, and furthermore, what an analogy does, or what makes a good analogy.

It's very disappointing to see that you still lack comprehension on such a simple thing.

Cookie and Game = Incomplete product. (Note that this is NOT saying that they are being compared to each other for the sake of similarities, but that they both represent an incomplete product for the purpose of the comparison.)

Bake Time and Production Time = Time into the project. (Again, not compared to each other for the sake of similarities, but for the representation of the point on the timetable the game/cookie has been in production/bake)

The analogy works because the comparison of one stupid complaint pertaining to an incomplete product translates directly into the stupid complaints of another incomplete product.

But perhaps I can simplify this for you:

Complaining about certain things in the Alpha is like complaining you're getting wet in the rain and you didn't bring an umbrella. (In before "Oh yes, because an umbrella is SO MUCH like the game!")

If you still don't get it: "It's simply stupid."

I will say nothing more on the matter. Good day to you.

[casker]

It's very disappointing to see that you still lack comprehension on such a simple thing.

Cookie and Game = Incomplete product. (Note that this is NOT saying that they are being compared to each other for the sake of similarities, but that they both represent an incomplete product for the purpose of the comparison.)

Bake Time and Production Time = Time into the project. (Again, not compared to each other for the sake of similarities, but for the representation of the point on the timetable the game/cookie has been in production/bake)

The analogy works because the comparison of one stupid complaint pertaining to an incomplete product translates directly into the stupid complaints of another incomplete product.

Cookie and Game = incomplete product.
Bake time and Production time = Time into the project.
No argument there. But let me spell this out for you, you are saying the game is like a cookie, and baking is like production time. That is what your equal signs represent. That is how analogies work. Hopefully you now understand that such an analogy entails you saying a cookie is like a game.

Complaining about a game while being developed -> can lead to change
Complaining about a cookie while being baked -> cannot lead to change

Your analogy said the game is like a cookie, but here we have an instance of why the game is not like a cookie. Which means your analogy is stupid.

You do not take into consideration the attributes of the subject matter being compared, and how they are different. One does not make a good analogy by outright ignoring the characteristics of the subject matter.

Complaining about certain things in the Alpha is like complaining you're getting wet in the rain and you didn't bring an umbrella. (In before "Oh yes, because an umbrella is SO MUCH like the game!")

I will say nothing more on the matter. Good day to you.

It's really not. You are honestly horrible at making analogies and I hope you stop trying to do it, as you clearly don't understand how they work.

[Biggs]

I will say nothing more on the matter. Good day to you.

Next time just start here when these types of people start in man......

[AlexNiculaie]

I'm not in alpha, but i have seen actual gameplay outside of those in the official videos, and even though the person used every ability often, it was never hard to tell what was going on, nor did it fill the screen with too big effects. Maybe it was because they had the camera further out, but the issues being complained about just were not a problem. Who knows if it will be the same or not. No point in worrying about it until we can actually see one way or another and SE is actually looking for our input.

[Joji]

It's not like a cookie at all. That's the whole point and why the analogy is stupid. Alerith essentially said it's like a cookie and then said not to compare it to a cookie because he knows his analogy doesn't logically fit. A game can change based on feedback at whatever stage. A cookie does not. They both finally reach their form but a cookie doesn't take feedback into account. The games final shape is not a given. A cookie's is.

I can assume things like textures will get better. Optimization will get better, and now that they confirmed it, animations should get better. Those are pretty much the only thing we should take for granted like the cookie dough taking form. For anything else, saying "IT'S JUST AN ALPHA" is horsecrap. The alpha is meant for server stability and what not but its stupid to assume that the "game content or actions" are going to be drastically different from what we've got, just because. There is absolutely no downside in telling them what you think about what they've got earlier on in the cycle.

Nothing good will come out of this, you know very well that in order to actually have a valid opinion on this require that you have a copy of the game installed on your hdd. Giving feedback in this matter based on a short video is not good enough to judge how it will be in beta stage. Everyone, including those who participate in alpha have no clue wether certain things will remain and proceed to be used in beta. This is why people are questioning you. Like you said, cookies are not comparable to xiv, I think most people over the age of 2 understands this.

It is true that feedback at any stage is helpful, and you placing a concern over wether these flashy animations will remain or not is something you actually have to wait and see, because in alpha, they don't change these things like you claim. When the time comes and you are able to log into beta, you will have a full picture to work with instead of bits and pieces, that is why i think ranting about this will have no outcome.