Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[RoxyLalonde]

I... dislike how this topic has become a battleground. One of the main reasons I liked FFXI and love FFXIV is that the communities have always been so mature and well behaved. I never see people throwing around slurs and other offensive remarks in this group. An occasional nub/newb/whatever here and there, but never do I see people throwing around anything remotely offensive to who someone is. It saddens me that this issue has changed that... I honestly thought we were going to be better then that. I'm disappointed and sad at this change.
Personally, marriage in a video game isn't too important to me, sure if it's there why not my fiance and I play together might as well. Though in 2.0 we are both making boy characters this time which means we won't be able to which sucks a bit... I'm mostly sad because I for some reason had a higher opinion of the community.

[Fylion]

Thanks for the clarification, I'm brainfarting and it's 4am, ouch! lol

Based on that, then it'd be easy for us to throw out any argument and say "Well it doesn't occur in nature" D:

... hehe. You caught on too quickly! Plans foiled! (And sorry for the delayed response, had to get some sleep before work.) But, that's not 100% true, as many ideas can be tweaked just the slightest bit and suddenly align with what we understand of "nature." (e.g. Nordic ouroboros -> static quantity of energy in the universe)

[Nix]

... hehe. You caught on too quickly! Plans foiled! (And sorry for the delayed response, had to get some sleep before work.) But, that's not 100% true, as many ideas can be tweaked just the slightest bit and suddenly align with what we understand of "nature." (e.g. Nordic ouroboros -> static quantity of energy in the universe)

XD no worries about the delayed response! I had to get some sleep too so I 'may' forgive you! haha

[Nix]

This might be a compromising way of tackling it, but it kind of seems like a halfway measure to appease the people who are against same-sex marriage.

I see what you mean Oro, but sadly in a perfect world we'd all think the same... but this is earth and people will get bent out of shape when they don't share our views. Sadly things have been way too blown up in a negative light in the media; just as they were when racism/african-american civil rights were really huge back in the 40's~60's(Not to say that they are not huge now, but I'm talkin MLKjr days).
I think it's best all-around to kinda move away from that stigma and create something new, and this feels like the only way it could work for everyone, that way SE could say 'well, yes we support it' without actually having to come out and say it therefore saving a lot of toes from being crushed.

I am all ears (haha get it? I'm elezen... D: ) for more ideas though, let's keep them coming guys!

[Fylion]

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

You, sir, made my day.

[Shougun]

I... dislike how this topic has become a battleground. One of the main reasons I liked FFXI and love FFXIV is that the communities have always been so mature and well behaved. I never see people throwing around slurs and other offensive remarks in this group. An occasional nub/newb/whatever here and there, but never do I see people throwing around anything remotely offensive to who someone is. It saddens me that this issue has changed that... I honestly thought we were going to be better then that. I'm disappointed and sad at this change.
Personally, marriage in a video game isn't too important to me, sure if it's there why not my fiance and I play together might as well. Though in 2.0 we are both making boy characters this time which means we won't be able to which sucks a bit... I'm mostly sad because I for some reason had a higher opinion of the community.

I thought you were going to marry me . . ., I wanted to be Mr. Subligar too ! lol

And such a hot issue as homosexuality (which basically boils down to religion) is always a rough topic even in the mature audiences. I think in respect to that you still have hope - the fact that SE hasnt closed this thread yet means we arent doing too bad :P hehehe

[Aerin92]

I agree with what earlier people said. Marriage just shouldn't be in the game period. It really doesn't add a whole lot of good. Most of the time it just adds unnecessary drama to the game.

Here's an idea: If marriage will be implemented why not make it so that players can only marry npcs instead of other players. You can still have same-sex marriages(as long as it isn't like dragonage when your party members hate you because you don't swing that way lol). The roleplayers will be happy. No drama. Everybody wins!
I think they could add some sort of system where a player could marry a unique npc. Remember the fellow system in XI? Or even the Path companions.

Make it so that the player can choose the first and last name and what race and gender they want the npc to be, and then have th devs give a unique questline for each gender of each race. That would give enough variety to make the npc stories feel more unique than all of them no matter what gender and race having the same questline like the path companions.

Obviously the you would have to progress through their questline to actually make it possible to romance/marry them, but keep it optional so that if players just want an npc friend instead of a soulmate they can have that.

This imo is only way marriage can be implemented into an mmo without it turning into a disaster of a feature.
What do you guys think?

Should I make a separate topic for this idea?

[Zyph]

I see it from a business perspective. People who are opposed to same sex marriage generally are more volatile when they don't have their way.

Keeping marriage opposite-sex only: Very little loss in subscribers.

Adding same-sex marriage: Potentially thousands of subscribers lost.


Most people who are pro same-sex marriage would not react to opposite-sex only marriage in the same way people who are a anti same-sex marriage would react if same-sex marriage were to be added. Especially since same-sex marriage hasn't been entirely ruled out, giving proponents hope.

tl;dr the reaction by opponents of same-sex marriage is much more emotionally charged than the other way around.

[Huginn]

Everything is predetermined. That is at least what you are heading to. lol

no, good sir, that is not at all where i was heading. i am not sure how one would arrive at that conclusion from what i said, but it is not at all what i meant. Changing your fundamental beliefs on a whim does not normally occur, though many would like to argue that it does.

I see it from a business perspective. People who are opposed to same sex marriage generally are more volatile when they don't have their way.

Keeping marriage opposite-sex only: Very little loss in subscribers.

Adding same-sex marriage: Potentially thousands of subscribers lost.


Most people who are pro same-sex marriage would not react to opposite-sex only marriage in the same way people who are a anti same-sex marriage would react if same-sex marriage were to be added. Especially since same-sex marriage hasn't been entirely ruled out, giving proponents hope.

tl;dr the reaction by opponents of same-sex marriage is much more emotionally charged than the other way around.

Be warned, when you use logic here, you will likely be met with name calling and denial of the obvious.


as for this and the many copies of this thread, let SE do as SE wants. stop trying to enforce your belief system upon others. a simple suggestion and a show that support exists would be fine, but this relentless badgering based on some perceived moral grounds is silly.

[Arcell]

I see it from a business perspective. People who are opposed to same sex marriage generally are more volatile when they don't have their way.

Keeping marriage opposite-sex only: Very little loss in subscribers.

Adding same-sex marriage: Potentially thousands of subscribers lost.


Most people who are pro same-sex marriage would not react to opposite-sex only marriage in the same way people who are a anti same-sex marriage would react if same-sex marriage were to be added. Especially since same-sex marriage hasn't been entirely ruled out, giving proponents hope.

tl;dr the reaction by opponents of same-sex marriage is much more emotionally charged than the other way around.

The people who react so negatively and vocally are often non-gamers. If we just look at this thread, as it is a collection of people who actually play games, and more specifically this game, you see that adding same sex marriage will not have a reaction as adverse as you imagine.

How many gaming sites/blogs would you see outright condemning SE for adding same sex marriage? How many people would vow to quit or never play the game because of it? I'm going to bet on the side of "not many".