Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Soulfire]

I'd really like to see a good reason why they don't want SSM in ARR.

It's obvious looking at this thread.

As an example...religion. This is similar to religions bashing each other. Now if you know much of anything about policies on the Internet you'd know that to be a pretty taboo subject. Why? 'Cause people are just going to fire off personal attacks at each other and effectively do what you see here! How you can miss such blatant contention this topic has created is beyond me. This is exactly why they didn't jump on same-gender marriage! It is an absolute risk to their reputation, and by extent, their income. If you haven't caught on, they're currently shooting for stability before considering other things.

People are getting blacklisted for expressing an opinion against same-gender marriage?! Well, holy smokes, cow, and whatever else fits! What "open minds" those individuals have when they have to shut out everyone who thinks otherwise. Hypocrisy abounds! Goodness! You can't expect a voice if you won't give one to others. (And as a side note, you can't counter what you don't see.) But to those of either side being polite and showing respect, high-five.

This is the problem, Yellow. Controversial topics are a headache, and this is one of them. My last paragraph is something that will infuriate, but is it not true? No, it absolutely is. A pinpoint strike! And just affirming that will be even more infuriating! The topic is a landmine. You can hardly step anywhere without someone blowing up. This is deeper than simple opinions. These are beliefs. What's sacred, and what's right and wrong. Stating your feelings and what you hold sacred in front of someone with whom they'd trample what they hold sacred is a train wreck waiting to happen.

But anyway, as I said earlier, Square Enix is shooting for stability. They're also rebuilding their reputation, and this is no doubt going to be a critical moment. Tossing something this controversial in at the get-go is an unwise venture.

I think getting behind that "pact" concept would cause something to come about sooner, and more acceptable to boot, and anything past that can just be roleplayed. Honestly, with roleplaying in-game marriage already exists, so really, what's the big deal? If the chapel was something simple, all you need is some ambiguous text from an NPC along with whatever cosmetic thing they're planning, and you can just roleplay the rest without anyone really giving a care.

I dunno, maybe a title under your name reading "First Last's Soulbound," or a ring similar or something. Then the players can decide if it's like marriage or like adventurers making a pact to fight beside each other as the truest of friends.

I'd really like that outcome. My main character isn't my own gender, and there's a certain someone of a matching gender I can't communicate with well because of the language barrier. Our conversations end up being quite comedic. I'd love to wear that name. But looks like it wouldn't happen anyway, what with regional servers and everything.

[Kallera]

This is what happens when churches involve themselves in legal matters in a bid for power and control. You don't like it? Consider that while homosexuality is not a choice, religious belief is, and is still afforded protections under the law, if not enshrined as the law. Unless you elaborate on why you don't like tolerance (either in thus or another thread) If you re looking for causes of total innocence, yeah, you haven't been among the few that exist for a while.

But before that, tell me this. What is the "gay" equivalent of a doctrine of everlasting torment? Or "putting them on an island", that is shared by whole organizations and required for membership?

[Huginn]

This is what happens when churches involve themselves in legal matters in a bid for power and control. You don't like it? Consider that while homosexuality is not a choice, religious belief is, and is still afforded protections under the law, if not enshrined as the law. Unless you elaborate on why you don't like tolerance (either in thus or another thread) If you re looking for causes of total innocence, yeah, you haven't been among the few that exist for a while.

But before that, tell me this. What is the "gay" equivalent of a doctrine of everlasting torment? Or "putting them on an island", that is shared by whole organizations and required for membership?

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, satire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

[Arcell]

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

[Kallera]

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, sat
ire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

[laias]

i think this game of all places should not be judgmental when it comes to this stuff. after all once again...its just a game. i really hope people wouldnt be THAT offended by something like this ingame. i am 100% ok with same sex marriage. and have no problem what so ever with it being in this game

[RoosterAgathos]

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

[Zantetsuken]

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

[Alteiriaa]

Here's what I think.
Yes, allow it. I would dearly love to be able to marry my irl boyfriend in game, however, he picked a pretty catgirl, same as I did. I don't think either one of us plans on changing, and I imagine a LOT of other people are probably in the same situation.
Don't call it marrage, as that has super special meaning for Christians and such. Give it another name, like the ones suggested earlier in the thread. Say you have it enabled, weddings, happy party union times, the whole nine yards, but don't specify if it's one, the other, or both. If you don't like it, don't try to marry your best friend to see if it works, or you are stuck together for a good long time. ;P
Make a devorce quest, make it as expencive as can be. Make people think twice about having their unions. Make sure that they know what they are getting into, then we don't have people complaining about the above situation, and if they do go through with it then, they deserved it. :P
And hell, even if SE DOESN'T want to make it so GMs go over the cerimonies, at LEAST give us the option to craft the things needed. Then, people can have a cerimony where ever the crap they want to. Doesn't even have to be the specified happy union building.

I totally understand the big deal, it could backfire massivly, but it's a game for god's sake, get your panties out of a bunch and just play how YOU want to. If I wanna marry my boyfriend's character, that is no worry of yours, I'm not gonna show off or anything after the fact, it's just a nice, meaningless addition to a game we both love. :3

[Talisin]

i would be pelased if they would implement same sex marriage