Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Reika]

I see it from a business perspective. People who are opposed to same sex marriage generally are more volatile when they don't have their way.

Keeping marriage opposite-sex only: Very little loss in subscribers.

Adding same-sex marriage: Potentially thousands of subscribers lost.


Most people who are pro same-sex marriage would not react to opposite-sex only marriage in the same way people who are a anti same-sex marriage would react if same-sex marriage were to be added. Especially since same-sex marriage hasn't been entirely ruled out, giving proponents hope.

tl;dr the reaction by opponents of same-sex marriage is much more emotionally charged than the other way around.

I think it would be the other way around.

[Aerin92]

I disagree with your statement Zyph. If that were true then this wouldn't be such a major issue right now.

[Loggos]

I was just wondering - because I never checked out any reports about it - if a successful game like the Sims series has been condemned and economically damaged because you can have same gender relationships there too and since it's real life simulation you can do much "worse" things than you could possibly to in FFXIV (like hecking the bed together).
Like I said, I wonder about this because I have no idea (not saying that there was no opposal) so I'd like to know. Other than that even if there are, I think Sims is still quite successful at least in the Western world I guess (no idea about other cultural areas), probably because it's not the main feature of the game. It's just a side option and I've never met a person that was bugged by this but that's just entirely personal experience!

And about magic, it is condemned too in very strict groups. I remember even the Pope once said that Harry Potter is a subtile temptation to today's youth... :/
And no, not every religious person condemns fantasy! I know quite a lot who love fantasy on the other hand.
I'm just giving this example because there will most likely always be people who will feel offended by something or condemn and oppose to it. But I suppose the group of people who like fantasy are just so big that there is no economic disadvantage even if people condemn it.
On the other hand the sgm is not even a main feature. It is a tiny bit in this huge game. It's not like it determines the game.
To me the main goal is still to beat up some evil monsters and to experience a mind-blowing story (and still I use so many words on this - I'm scared of myself xDD).


That being said (and asked) I don't think that the majority of this thread wants to force a view on others (at least I don't :| so if you feel like I do, I'm sorry. It's not my intetion!).
I just think stating arguments and counter arguments is not automatically forcing a view on another person (referring to all sides of the discussion and as long as it stays well-mannered I guess!).
And I also think if people ask for something that permitts more freedom then it's not really forcing a life style on people because whether I choose to have an ingame same gender marriage that doesn't mean someone else has to do so. Forcing would be if I demanded everyone would have to get same gender married or different-gender married...
(I'd like to "marry" my friend who is male irl but of course plays a female miqote. :P )

Ok, the last part is more of a social theory and I understand that SE's consindering the economical one.
Still I think it would be sad (personally) because to me their decision is still some kind of symbol but I guess I love the game too much to leave it just over this issue.

Maybe the idea of a substitute like handfasting or bounding is really a better option.
I also think that they should either leave it out entirely or allow it for everyone.
Not only because of LGBT respect but because, come on, we all know that there are far more guys playing girls for aesthetic than girls playing boys so if friends of different rl gender want to have an ingame wedding the chances are quite high that both chars are females due to the miqote love (nothing wrong with miqotes though ).

[Shougun]

we all know that there are far more guys playing girls for aesthetic than girls playing boys so if friends of different rl gender want to have an ingame wedding the chances are quite high that both chars are females due to the miqote love (nothing wrong with miqotes though ).

I think this logic goes well for both sides - a binding shouldn't exist or should be allowed regardless of sex or gender, for delicacy sake since it seems SE isnt prepared to make a stand it should be called something else (while the visual theme may be the same). The fact SE had to ask for a vote shows that they are either undecided, unprepared, or dont give a damn :P lol.

It would be really exciting for SE to release gender, age, and location distributions in relation to gender and race of in game. How many manthra's to mithra's are there really? lol

I wonder when they will ask us (or if they are going by our representative's reports of the forums).

I think ancient rome would compare same-sex marriage to child pornography and we arent much far from there, honestly.

What about the older man to younger boy relationship often existing in Roman society :P? (Though I prefer comparing greeks over romans, not for the sexuality reasons though lol).

[Psion]

Not to mention that FFXIV has a disproportionately high percentage of LGBT players. If anything, the publicity that comes from allowing same sex marriage would cause a large attraction of new players who had never heard of final fantasy before and either are LGBT or support same sex marriage.

Gamers in general tend to be more progressive, and the conservative gamers there are tend to be more progressive in terms of equal rights.

[RoosterAgathos]

"We want prenup!",

yeaah!

It's something that you need to have 'Cause when he leave yo' ass he gone leave with half

[Wevlum]

Agreed, equal marriage or no marriage. Nice to see SE playing the part of the cowardly lion in this though -.-;

Given the amount of male people playing female characters this entire thing is a farce. Note that I'm not passing any judgement on people playing opposite gender avatars; it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Colvin]

ok so first I want to say, I do not agree with Same-sex anything. You can hate me if you want to. HOWEVER! I also don't think it is my right to stop other from doing what they want. I always tell my LBG (don't have any T... yet) friends, if my believes are going to put you in hell there is no reason to bring hell to you. After all... if you force everyone to have your beliefs then you can't really judge them. I only bother to point this out because I want to say EVEN COMING FROM SOMEONE LIKE ME do thus:

Go ahead and put it in if the fan base wants it. People should be able to do what they want. Given the critical state, I would like them to look at doing whatever would get them the best bottom dollar. If it turns out that allowing same-sex marriage will bring in an in-flux of new players..? do it.

[Hayden]

Its not even an issue. Let people marry which ever character they like regardless of gender.

[RoosterAgathos]

This has gotten WAY out of hand. This should not be about religion or morals.

If YOU think it should be... I ask you to refer to my earlier post about cross species marriages.. should those be allowed also?

and please dont say this is a fantasy game and that does not count... because you will be making my point for me.