Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Huginn]

This is what happens when churches involve themselves in legal matters in a bid for power and control. You don't like it? Consider that while homosexuality is not a choice, religious belief is, and is still afforded protections under the law, if not enshrined as the law. Unless you elaborate on why you don't like tolerance (either in thus or another thread) If you re looking for causes of total innocence, yeah, you haven't been among the few that exist for a while.

But before that, tell me this. What is the "gay" equivalent of a doctrine of everlasting torment? Or "putting them on an island", that is shared by whole organizations and required for membership?

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, satire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

[Arcell]

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

[Zantetsuken]

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

[Arcell]

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Slavery and sexism depend on the game. If it takes place in a time period or country where these things are accepted, then that is the culture of the world the game is set in. Do I agree with it? Nope. Do real world rules apply and make it illegal? Nope.

Child pornography is way different though as that is about mere depiction. The depiction of slavery or sexism or same sex marriage is not illegal.

By your logic are you not okay with killing humanoid enemies as it is murder? I mean just because it's fake doesn't make it okay, right?

[debola]

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Frankly yeah. excluding the child pornography part i'd imagine. Role playing games can take on any form and be referenced to any part of the world at any point in history. One that's fictional like ffxiv world should have even more leeway.

TO cite examples:
A big part of the "Dragon Age" story shows slavery and discrimination. It's part of the background lore and part of the game storyline. It's "Role playing" after all. People are getting way to touchy about this issue. I'm gay myself and i really dont care whether or not they implement this, even if they did say they werent gonna allow same sex marriage.

That being said, there r a couple of pple i play with i would mind getting married to. But i dont think it's as big a deal as this thread is making it out to be.

[Colvin]

I think ancient rome would compare same-sex marriage to child pornography and we arent much far from there, honestly.

[Nix]

I think ancient rome would compare same-sex marriage to child pornography and we arent much far from there, honestly.

Wrong! Roman males were allowed to practice homosexual relationships without a loss of standing or masculinity~

[Colvin]

Wrong! Roman males were allowed to practice homosexual relationships without a loss of standing or masculinity~

no that is my point... as the relationships were often with young boys. what I mean is that they would have found them comparable to the point of indifference, so in a very real way they were the same because there was no distinction.

[Kallera]

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, sat
ire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

[Huginn]

Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

you did miss something and it was not very obvious unless you spent several hours poring over the thread. The message was trying to show that faith is, by definition, not a choice in the same way that sexual preference is not a choice. Just as believing that 1x+1x=5x (where x is a non zero, real number) is not a choice.

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

You were the one claiming that religion is simply a choice in the same manner that some claim sexual preference is a choice. If you want to keep the subject to same sex marriage in a video game, stop bringing up other topics, namely religion outside of video games. I disagree with your assertion that faith is a choice.

my point is to show that your selective moral outrage is quite ridiculous. Should we also be petitioning for minors to be permitted to marry in game, whether it be their character or the player that is a child, while marriage does not even exist in the game?