Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Zantetsuken]

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

[Arcell]

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Slavery and sexism depend on the game. If it takes place in a time period or country where these things are accepted, then that is the culture of the world the game is set in. Do I agree with it? Nope. Do real world rules apply and make it illegal? Nope.

Child pornography is way different though as that is about mere depiction. The depiction of slavery or sexism or same sex marriage is not illegal.

By your logic are you not okay with killing humanoid enemies as it is murder? I mean just because it's fake doesn't make it okay, right?

[debola]

huh?

By that logic, you wouldn't complain if there was positive depictions of slavery, sexism, or heck even child pornograpy in a game?

I mean, its fake after all.


(In before fallacious derailment attempt: "You're comparing same-sex marriage to child pornography??!!".)

Frankly yeah. excluding the child pornography part i'd imagine. Role playing games can take on any form and be referenced to any part of the world at any point in history. One that's fictional like ffxiv world should have even more leeway.

TO cite examples:
A big part of the "Dragon Age" story shows slavery and discrimination. It's part of the background lore and part of the game storyline. It's "Role playing" after all. People are getting way to touchy about this issue. I'm gay myself and i really dont care whether or not they implement this, even if they did say they werent gonna allow same sex marriage.

That being said, there r a couple of pple i play with i would mind getting married to. But i dont think it's as big a deal as this thread is making it out to be.

[Kallera]

i guess before tackling the fact the the premise of your challenge being false, i will go ahead and give the equivalent for the equivalent groups.
Doctrines of hating anyone who disagrees with your lifestyle choice, calling them names and claiming that they are bullying you because oprah told you to. Believing that throwing glitter on someone or all over a parking lot will accomplish anything other than being perceived as inconsiderate litter-bugs. Telling those who disagree with same sex marriage to go to hell because you are "the majority". Claiming that religion is the basis of all problems that homosexuals run into... Is this satisfactory, or need i find more?

tolerance and acceptance are different things.

I feel the hatred boiling over within you. Again and again you mandate that the fear, opposition and phobia of homosexuality is created by religion. I must praise you on your use of logical fallacy which insinuates, partially through word choice by you, that there are large groups of people who require that one believes that homosexuals will be tormented for eternity or that they should be exiled in order to be a member of the organization.

Religion, or rather faith, is a choice just as much as "sexual preference" is. You can choose to be heterosexual, you may not like it, agree with it, and it may disgust you. I can choose to be an atheist, i may not like it, agree with it and it may disgust me.

You use critical theory almost exclusively, but you do not seem to know from where it originates. It amazes me that this is even a big issue for anyone. While it might be nice to have marriage in game, it does not even exist yet, nor is it a priority to be introduced. Perhaps your time could be better spent asking for the ability to have a one time race/gender change other than the opportunity we may have at the launch of ARR and up to six months later.

for those of you that believe, just because i have been critical of the arguments, that i am opposed to same sex marriage, please tell me where i have said that i oppose it (with the exception of OBVIOUS hyperbole, sarcasm, sat
ire and notations that said have been used in the creation of the post).

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

[Huginn]

Either I missed something since last night or I've been sorely misinformed because I'm fairly certain it doesn't work that way.

At any rate, this thread is about same sex marriage in a game. Fake, non-official, non-legal marriage in an online game. Someone tell me why same sex marriages shouldn't be allowed in that context.

The real world has no bearing here, especially because the gender of the players is not taken into consideration, only the gender of the characters. Two male players with opposite gender characters can get married. A male and a female player with same gender characters cannot get married.

you did miss something and it was not very obvious unless you spent several hours poring over the thread. The message was trying to show that faith is, by definition, not a choice in the same way that sexual preference is not a choice. Just as believing that 1x+1x=5x (where x is a non zero, real number) is not a choice.

I'm not angry, I'm disappointed.
This is a honest discussion about the inclusion of same sex marriage in a MMO, not a place for your (bad) comedy routine. That is all I'm saying to you.

You were the one claiming that religion is simply a choice in the same manner that some claim sexual preference is a choice. If you want to keep the subject to same sex marriage in a video game, stop bringing up other topics, namely religion outside of video games. I disagree with your assertion that faith is a choice.

my point is to show that your selective moral outrage is quite ridiculous. Should we also be petitioning for minors to be permitted to marry in game, whether it be their character or the player that is a child, while marriage does not even exist in the game?

[KiriA500]

The message was trying to show that faith is, by definition, not a choice in the same way that sexual preference is not a choice. Just as believing that 1x+1x=5x (where x is a non zero, real number) is not a choice.

Just stop. You have no clue what you're talking about, and you prove it with nonsense like this.

[laias]

i think this game of all places should not be judgmental when it comes to this stuff. after all once again...its just a game. i really hope people wouldnt be THAT offended by something like this ingame. i am 100% ok with same sex marriage. and have no problem what so ever with it being in this game

[RoosterAgathos]

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

[Fylion]

This is a classic example of making an issue of something that really didn't need to be a issue.

If Yoshi P's answer would have been a nonchalant "Of course you can." we would have no thread no debate no moral righteousness.. everyone would just go on with their day.

If marriage is only limited to M/F pairings i would like a real life gender check... (pics or it didn't happen rules apply) if we are bring real world debates into a virtual one might as well bring it all in or nothing.

Can we talk about cross species marriages now?

You, sir, made my day.

[Alteiriaa]

Here's what I think.
Yes, allow it. I would dearly love to be able to marry my irl boyfriend in game, however, he picked a pretty catgirl, same as I did. I don't think either one of us plans on changing, and I imagine a LOT of other people are probably in the same situation.
Don't call it marrage, as that has super special meaning for Christians and such. Give it another name, like the ones suggested earlier in the thread. Say you have it enabled, weddings, happy party union times, the whole nine yards, but don't specify if it's one, the other, or both. If you don't like it, don't try to marry your best friend to see if it works, or you are stuck together for a good long time. ;P
Make a devorce quest, make it as expencive as can be. Make people think twice about having their unions. Make sure that they know what they are getting into, then we don't have people complaining about the above situation, and if they do go through with it then, they deserved it. :P
And hell, even if SE DOESN'T want to make it so GMs go over the cerimonies, at LEAST give us the option to craft the things needed. Then, people can have a cerimony where ever the crap they want to. Doesn't even have to be the specified happy union building.

I totally understand the big deal, it could backfire massivly, but it's a game for god's sake, get your panties out of a bunch and just play how YOU want to. If I wanna marry my boyfriend's character, that is no worry of yours, I'm not gonna show off or anything after the fact, it's just a nice, meaningless addition to a game we both love. :3