FFXIVARR Lower stats for token items

[Baxter]

It's not pointless to give something almost just as good. I love how most of you negate the min/max mentality that exists within the playerbase. People will want the best item for that slot so there is absolutely no question most will continue to repeat the content. You're getting a shot at gear three times a week, that is VERY generous. On top of that it's like no one considers the scenario you will likely run with the same group so you can pretty much get most of your items pretty quickly while obtaining not as great alternatives to hold you over. The argument that people should not be rewarded at all for their time and effort is pretty short sighted, especially considering this has been one of the more staple gripes to reoccur throughout the lifespan of this game.

[Elexia]

It's not pointless to give something almost just as good.

You do realize in his example unless they significantly change the calculations when they go 1:1 that's pretty much giving away the same gear as the main drop, right? 2 extra stats will do absolutely nothing lol so you may as well just hand out the main gear for doing the dungeon once.

It's pointless to give away basically the same gear for failing to obtain the gear you wanted, there has to be a clearcut difference between a "here's your parting gift" type of gear and "here's the shit you want."

You do know MMORPGs die out quick when people clear and obtain everything quickly..right?

[Guevara]

You do realize in his example unless they significantly change the calculations when they go 1:1 that's pretty much giving away the same gear as the main drop, right? 2 extra stats will do absolutely nothing lol so you may as well just hand out the main gear for doing the dungeon once.

It's pointless to give away basically the same gear for failing to obtain the gear you wanted, there has to be a clearcut difference between a "here's your parting gift" type of gear and "here's the shit you want."

You do know MMORPGs die out quick when people clear and obtain everything quickly..right?

again.... won't be a reward from one single run.... possibly it could take 20+ runs to get all the tokens needed.... imagine going to Rowena asking for a primal weapon in exchange of tokens and getting a gimped one.... that would piss you off I guess. Same story here.

[Baxter]

You do realize in his example unless they significantly change the calculations when they go 1:1 that's pretty much giving away the same gear as the main drop, right? 2 extra stats will do absolutely nothing lol so you may as well just hand out the main gear for doing the dungeon once.

It's pointless to give away basically the same gear for failing to obtain the gear you wanted, there has to be a clearcut difference between a "here's your parting gift" type of gear and "here's the shit you want."

You do know MMORPGs die out quick when people clear and obtain everything quickly..right?

You do realize you just made a statement as if it were fact, but in the same breath acknowledged there will be sweeping changes to gear or at least stat distribution?

I stick by what I said. No one is in favor of doing a shitty dungeon run for 3 months with nothing to show for it. Good thing is Yoshi feels the same way. If you're looking for that style of gameplay there are dozens of shitty Korean MMOs that will cater to you.

[Elexia]

there are dozens of shitty Korean MMOs that will cater to you.

Plenty of MMOs out there that cater to you as well.

[Jennestia]

You're realize you just made a statement as if it were fact, but in the same breath acknowledged there will be sweeping changes to gear or at least stat distribution?

I stick by what I said. No one is in favor of doing a shitty dungeon run for 3 months with nothing to show for it. Good thing is Yoshi feels the same way. If you're looking for that style of gameplay there are dozens of shitty Korean MMOs that will cater to you.

People are getting sick of MMORPGs that will have you do a dungeon a few times and never touch it again -- Get to the rest of end-game and there's nothing there because you went through most content so quickly you reached the end of the MMO and now have to wait for the developer to make more. You seem to be thinking of the extreme opposite and supporting such.

[Baxter]

People are getting sick of MMORPGs that will have you do a dungeon a few times and never touch it again -- Get to the rest of end-game and there's nothing there because you went through most content so quickly you reached the end of the MMO and now have to wait for the developer to make more. You seem to be thinking of the extreme opposite and supporting such.

Obviously, so is Yoshi. You don't like it you can always go play something grindy that you will wait years for a full set of armor to drop.

[Jennestia]

Obviously, so is Yoshi. You don't like it you can always go play something grindy that you will wait years for a full set of armor to drop.

I'm sorry I've yet to play even a Korean game that takes that long to complete a set of gear -- You're so quick to exaggerate things and tell others to go away which doesn't make you look any better.

need some of this in here I guess, lol



in between "3 dungeons run and get all drops" and "hundred dungeons runs and get zero drops" there is a wide range of solutions, which can be finely tuned by master yoshiP.

Indeed, basically finding a happy medium, but you have too many people on one side that want one thing lol.

[Guevara]

People are getting sick of MMORPGs that will have you do a dungeon a few times and never touch it again -- Get to the rest of end-game and there's nothing there because you went through most content so quickly you reached the end of the MMO and now have to wait for the developer to make more. You seem to be thinking of the extreme opposite and supporting such.

need some of this in here I guess, lol



in between "3 dungeons run and get all drops" and "hundred dungeons runs and get zero drops" there is a wide range of solutions, which can be finely tuned by master yoshiP.

[Arcell]

People are getting sick of MMORPGs that will have you do a dungeon a few times and never touch it again -- Get to the rest of end-game and there's nothing there because you went through most content so quickly you reached the end of the MMO and now have to wait for the developer to make more. You seem to be thinking of the extreme opposite and supporting such.

Though to be fair, you're discussing an extreme as well. Who's to say that you'll do a dungeon a few times and never touch it again with the token system? They can balance the amount of tokens given and whatnot so that you still have to put in a good deal of effort to get the drop. Just like with Garuda, if you're not all passing to one person, you have to win 20 times to get a weapon from tokens. I feel like if you beat Garuda 20 times, it's fair to award you with ONE weapon if nothing else. The same goes for dungeons. If you run a dungeon 20+ times successfully, you've proven you're skillful enough to do it (or your group is) so you should be given something at least.