If SE is taking away my hard work...

[viion]

I didn't say all items. I said a a few items that you occasionally buy or sell. And I didn't say anything nearly as sweeping as 100% or 50%. 1% would easily fit the example and share your point as a reference.

Do you actually believe that every single item in 2.0 is going to cost more than it's 1.0 relative value? And that those values will persist for a sustained period of time?

My prediction: when 2.0 comes around, everyone (myself included) will think these redenomination threads were a huge waste of time.

Frankly, SE shouldn't have bothered making this announcement 'til the servers were already down. Because when 2.0 rolls around most of the people who feel jipped are either not going to be playing, or not going to care anymore.

Huh when did I say relative to its 1.0 value?

I clearly said so many goddamn times, an item might start at 5m if it was 10m. this is CLEARLY LESS, 5 is LESS than 10, not relative, or higher, like you think I said. It is not "cost more than its 1.0 relative value" it costs LESS but NOT 1/10TH. I have said this about 10 times, in every post I have said it. But you choose not to listen.

A Double Meld Relic Bow for example I DO NOT THINK will reduce to 3m from 30m, i think it will start at about 15m and reduce to around 10m. I dont think it ever will, ever, at all be 3m.

I AM saying all items, doesn't matter about a few i occasionally sell because a few don't make up the pricing structure, they all do.

Way to also completely bash me for accusing people of actions then go and do it yourself, very hypocritical...

[Ferth]

Huh when did I say relative to its 1.0 value?

I clearly said so many goddamn times, an item might start at 5m if it was 10m. this is CLEARLY LESS, 5 is LESS than 10, not relative, or higher, like you think I said. It is not "cost more than its 1.0 relative value" it costs LESS but NOT 1/10TH. I have said this about 10 times, in every post I have said it. But you choose not to listen.

A Double Meld Relic Bow for example I DO NOT THINK will reduce to 3m from 30m, i think it will start at about 15m and reduce to around 10m. I dont think it ever will, ever, at all be 3m.

I AM saying all items, doesn't matter about a few i occasionally sell because a few don't make up the pricing structure, they all do.

Way to also completely bash me for accusing people of actions then go and do it yourself, very hypocritical...

Do you even know what relative means? Every time you compare a 1.0 price with a projected 2.0 price that is a relative comparison. Every example you have used has used relative pricing. That's what your whole prediction has been about. Higher relative prices for items in 2.0 equating to a loss of wealth.

A Double Meld Relic Bow for example I DO NOT THINK will reduce to 3m from 30m, i think it will start at about 15m and reduce to around 10m. I dont think it ever will, ever, at all be 3m.

the 1.0 price is 30m. Every comparison you make, be it 3m or 15m is relative to that price. it depends on that 30m as a frame of reference to describe the change it has undergone. THAT'S WHAT RELATIVE MEANS.

In a perfect world that relative price will be 3m. The item would retain 100% of it's current value when compared to the shift in gil everyone will undergo.

You are afraid it won't even be close to that, starting at 15m which means the relative price would be 500% of it's current value.

The point I am trying to make is we don't even know if that bow will be required for relic in 2.0. and if it isn't then the price won't even be close to 3m.

The question you have to truly consider though is are you willing to pay 30m for the bow right now? If no, then the pricing doesn't concern you at all. If yes, the question then becomes "are you willing to pay 150m for it right now." If no, then guess what? Chances are almost everyone feels the same way. If yes, then I have some things I'd like to sell you.

[viion]

The question you have to truly consider though is are you willing to pay 30m for the bow right now? If no, then the pricing doesn't concern you at all. If yes, the question then becomes "are you willing to pay 150m for it right now." If no, then guess what? Chances are almost everyone feels the same way. If yes, then I have some things I'd like to sell you.

I would pay 30m. I have 30m.
In 2.0 if the price goes to 10m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

In 2.0 if the prices goes to 3.1m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

However.

I would be willing to pay 45m (50% more)
Thus it could go to 4.5m and I be happy to go buy it if I have enough.
It could of been 30m and go to 4.5m and I be happy to pay it.
Those who could buy it before, now cant because I and others balanced it out at 4.5m
Which is 50% more.

So what I am saying is, Due to ARR, the price of an item increased 50% more
where it would have not in the current economy as its not increasing in value now.

I cant get it more simpler than this, this is the exact reason, why > I < believe I am losing Gil, because the reduction of the item did not go to 1/10th and I have to pay more than what I had to originally.

You may not find this as losing gil, you may call it anything you want, describe it in anyway you want and try tell me I am wrong, but you won't succeed, because to me, this is the reason why I think myself, and other people, are losing Gil.

I do not buy from NPC's.
I do not Rent Chocobos.
I do not use the repair person.
I do not use the airship.
I do not purchase from Qiqirn Market.

All those gil sinks are irrelevant to me, and I bet a lot of others. Their costs could be x400 or 1/1000th it would have zero effect to me.

[Felis]

I would pay 30m. I have 30m.
In 2.0 if the price goes to 10m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

In 2.0 if the prices goes to 3.1m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

However.

I would be willing to pay 45m (50% more)
Thus it could go to 4.5m and I be happy to go buy it if I have enough.
It could of been 30m and go to 4.5m and I be happy to pay it.
Those who could buy it before, now cant because I and others balanced it out at 4.5m
Which is 50% more.

Before 11/1 the price could increase to 46m.
People who have now only 30m won't be able to buy it anymore in some weeks.
SE can increase the chance for double meld and we all lost gil if we bought it already.

We can speculate all the way, we only know it after the game start.

[viion]

Before 11/1 the price could increase to 46m.
People who have now only 30m won't be able to buy it anymore in some weeks

Right, so finish it off... they would need 16m to buy it.

But come 2.0 the price should go down to 4.6m but instead goes to 5m, they still cant buy it but now need 2m, instead of the original 1.6m they would have needed previously (previously being 16m needed, but raised to 50m).

If this % of increase happens across every item, in 1 night to x time, you've lost a certain amount. because not all prices reduced to the amount you was reduced by.

Thus what has happened, because of this situation, all items across the board have increased in value by X% but you have had a flat-rate reduction, over night. This is not possible now, you will not see all items in 2.0 suddenly go up by 50-100-150%, there is however a chance for that to happen after the transfer.

Finish off the scenario...

[KiriA500]

I would pay 30m. I have 30m.
In 2.0 if the price goes to 10m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

Yes, but in 2.0, 10m is the equivalent of 100m in 1.0. Nobody in their right mind would pay that price for the item.

[Chinook]

I would pay 30m. I have 30m.
In 2.0 if the price goes to 10m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

In 2.0 if the prices goes to 3.1m. I will have 3m.
I wont be able to buy it anymore.

However.

I would be willing to pay 45m (50% more)
Thus it could go to 4.5m and I be happy to go buy it if I have enough.
It could of been 30m and go to 4.5m and I be happy to pay it.
Those who could buy it before, now cant because I and others balanced it out at 4.5m
Which is 50% more.

So what I am saying is, Due to ARR, the price of an item increased 50% more
where it would have not in the current economy as its not increasing in value now.

I cant get it more simpler than this, this is the exact reason, why > I < believe I am losing Gil, because the reduction of the item did not go to 1/10th and I have to pay more than what I had to originally.

You may not find this as losing gil, you may call it anything you want, describe it in anyway you want and try tell me I am wrong, but you won't succeed, because to me, this is the reason why I think myself, and other people, are losing Gil.

I do not buy from NPC's.
I do not Rent Chocobos.
I do not use the repair person.
I do not use the airship.
I do not purchase from Qiqirn Market.

All those gil sinks are irrelevant to me, and I bet a lot of others. Their costs could be x400 or 1/1000th it would have zero effect to me.

You forgot 50% of the equation, your income ...

Let's say the double-melded class weapon you're looking for went from 30m in 1.0 to 10m in ARR (33% of current value and not 10%, giving you the feeling to be ripped off).

The mats and materias to make that double-melded class weapon will also be worth roughly 33% of their current values. Guess who sell mats and materias ? Me and you. So your income will fluctuate at the same rate as the market, your buying power will be pretty much the same as of now.

[viion]

You forgot 50% of the equation, your income ...

Let's say the double-melded class weapon you're looking for went from 30m in 1.0 to 10m in ARR (33% of current value and not 10%, giving you the feeling to be ripped off).

The mats and materias to make that double-melded class weapon will also be worth roughly 33% of their current values. Guess who sell mats and materias ? Me and you. So your income will fluctuate at the same rate as the market, your buying power will be pretty much the same as of now.

Income is stuff I have had to EARN BACK in order to get to where I was.

If an item is 30m and goes to 10m, but i go to 3m, I have to EARN BACK that 7m.

Income does not count because you have to obtain it back from what you lost.

And the more I get, the more other people get, and the more likely an item will set in stone at a price higher as it becomes more affordable, thus I have had to earn enough just to get back where I was in the first place.

So, let the stupid people lose their money. Smart players will know better.

Smart players would exploit these people.

[Vindrax]

A Double Meld Relic Bow for example I DO NOT THINK will reduce to 3m from 30m, i think it will start at about 15m and reduce to around 10m. I dont think it ever will, ever, at all be 3m.

How confident are you in this statement? 100%? If so, I assume you are currently dumping all of your gil to stock up on these to make a killer profit in 2.0?

I'm being very serious about this and I want to know honestly if you truly believe this, you should be dumping all of your gil currently to stock up on these items. And if you aren't, I'd like to know why.

[darkstarpoet1]

How confident are you in this statement? 100%? If so, I assume you are currently dumping all of your gil to stock up on these to make a killer profit in 2.0?

I'm being very serious about this and I want to know honestly if you truly believe this, you should be dumping all of your gil currently to stock up on these items. And if you aren't, I'd like to know why.

i know a ton of people that are, but i am very selective on what i buy and how much i pay for it. i have been dumping alot into buying stuff, but only when i find a mass amount of something for really cheap pricing.