If SE is taking away my hard work...

[Deatheye]

Also, you have no clue what you're talking about.

Come and talk to me again when you start writing stuff in a foreign language you never had in school and teached it yourself.
And yeah surely I have no clue, you saying so and having no argument, only trying to deflect from the disccusion bringing up something totaly off topic proofs it without a doubt.

[moriandrio]

Come and talk to me again when you start writing stuff in a foreign language you never had in school and teached it yourself.
And yeah surely I have no clue, you saying so and having no argument, only trying to deflect from the disccusion bringing up something totaly off topic proofs it without a doubt.

Read the thread or one of the 100 other ones about this topic and you will find enough arguments, and your argument with the foreign language just shows us that your just a troll...

[Slatfatf]

I don’t think its fair for those of you with large or capped amounts of Gil to have to see your hard earned money taken away from you. You should not put up with this kind of crap from SE any longer! Why not all band together, show SE how you feel by not returning for ARR, stick it to the man, I say!

Oh and if you’re not going to be using you’re account, I’d welcome you to drop some of that Gil my way (before or after 2.0), thanks.

[Deatheye]

Read the thread or one of the 100 other ones about this topic and you will find enough arguments, and your argument with the foreign language just shows us that your just a troll...

I've read severell sites of this topic and some of the other topics about the same prblem and no where I ever saw someone saying anything about what I've brought up. Which doesn't say it never was brought up.

The argument that the buying power is the same in 2.0 does not counter the argument that the more money you aquired the more time you spent in the game doing that you are loosing with this. Nor does it break the argument that someone that invested more time into getting money looses more then one that invested less.

And please elaborate about how it's making me a troll that english is not my native langauge...Or that I, a bit less nicely put, told KiriA500 to shut the fuck up, about a spelling error I made in a foreign language, that has nothing to do with the topic, and that he can talk back to me if he does bether.

[Abriael]

If for you playing the game is "hard work", maybe you should do something more fun with your time.

Unless you're a gilseller, I guess.

[Deatheye]

If for you playing the game is "hard work", maybe you should do something more fun with your time.

Unless you're a gilseller, I guess.

I really find it mind-boggling how some people come up with stuff... Show me where on the last few pages anyone talks about "hard work" please.
Let's assume someone did for the moment. Doesn't change anything.
So people invested time for "hard work", as you put it to earn money. So they actually could afford stuff they needed to invest time into the fun, or as you propably would call it, the "not so hard work" part.
No one cares if it was the time invested in a fun part or work like part that gets lost, the problem is something gets taken away.
The more time you invested the more you loose.
Basically it's the same why taxes are not fixed (at least in those countrys I know more then nothing about taxes) at the same percent values. The tax % values differ depending on your income.

[Slatfatf]

A Realm Reborn is a new MMO with game elements (Hamlet Raids, Caravan, etc.) taken from Square Enix’s failed game (FFXIV) that was supposed to follow up / replace its very popular XI game.

It was totally unprecedented months ago when they announced that players who toughed it out in hopes of a better FFXIV would be rewarded by retaining their progress (with details on the move to come). We are lucky no one playing now has to start from scratch for ARR.

OK so some of you who spent time collecting Gil (believe you) get the short end of the stick with the move, although the economy changes impact everyone and you’re still monetarily ahead of the game.

The explanation for the change was clear, they had to inflate the game economy because of expendable items, and these are going away so the inflation goes away with it. Did we really need another thread on this topic?

No answer needed here, and you don’t have to quote & rebuke me, I’m done with this one. It’s all been said before pro or con.

[Hulan]

While this will not cool this debate - it wouldn't even be complete until long after it becomes a moot point - while slogging through this thread, I have decided to do a statistical study of the transformation of the economy from 1.x to ARR. It would hardly be a definitive study (only being one server), but at the very least, it may be instructive. Fundamentally, I am thinking of recording the daily cost of a subset of items in 1.x, then statistically comparing them after a month of recording prices in ARR.

What items would provide the best sample to test from? I am currently thinking a subset of at least 60 items (30 per 25 levels) would be best; including samples from top tier crafted armor, weapons, consumables, and materials, as well as farmed items. I have a few thoughts myself on what I should track, but I would appreciate input from people who specialize in other fields.

[Arcell]

This isn't hard to understand, seriously. Why are people still arguing about this?

Will player prices drop to exactly 1/10th of what they are now? Probably not.

Will player prices stay at exactly what they are now? Probably not.

Will smart or new players buy things at 1.0 prices? Definitely not.

Will people be forced to start selling at 2.0 prices because others start doing so? Probably.

No one's losing anything. Things won't drop down to exactly 1/10th of their current price, though they will drop. I know I'm sure as hell not paying 1.0 prices for everything after my gil drops a 0. I'll craft and gather my own stuff if people don't drop prices, that would be the smart thing to do. If you really don't get it and it still REALLY bothers you, quit. Seriously, do us all a favor. I don't want to keep hearing about this shit for months after launch. And honestly, after a few months no one will care. Just like 90% of the "issues" on this board, it's a problem until it happens and then everyone stops caring.

[Deatheye]

While this will not cool this debate - it wouldn't even be complete until long after it becomes a moot point - while slogging through this thread, I have decided to do a statistical study of the transformation of the economy from 1.x to ARR. It would hardly be a definitive study (only being one server), but at the very least, it may be instructive. Fundamentally, I am thinking of recording the daily cost of a subset of items in 1.x, then statistically comparing them after a month of recording prices in ARR.

What items would provide the best sample to test from? I am currently thinking a subset of at least 60 items (30 per 25 levels) would be best; including samples from top tier crafted armor, weapons, consumables, and materials, as well as farmed items. I have a few thoughts myself on what I should track, but I would appreciate input from people who specialize in other fields.

I have no idea what items would be good for this. I see a problem with taking the value only on certain days or certain times. If you check the market frequently you notice price differences during the day and from day to day and I also assume that holidays would influence that. So if you only take the prices on certain days or times that could be the low point or high point. At least you need to be sure to take the prices when the same variables apply (holidays, weekend, time, maybe more)